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Re: Fighting Cancer

#81
I lost both my parents last year to cancer. Both were Christians, and so am I.

I know many people find Christianity and the subject of faith to be uncomfortable, even offensive. But that's because the Christian message _is_ offensive. It makes claims that exclude all other options, that evil is real and that we are responsible for it. To me, either the message is true or it isn't. There is no grey. Either Jesus Christ was a liar, a lunatic, a legend, or He is Lord God Almight.

Penn Jillette, the famous atheist and half of Penn and Teller had it right, that if we removed all the scientific research in the world we would be able to rebuild it all, but religions would be all different. I agree with him, and so does the Bible. It says that God reached down to us, delivered messages in ways that statistically rule out purely human effort, and gave us a choice to trust Him or not (have a look at http://thebibleproject.com) . In the end, everyone's going to get what they want (if you want Jesus Christ you get him, if you don't you won't). That's why for my Dad and I, we both had to be convinced that the Bible was not simply human in origin.

Whatever your view, I can only speak to my own experience. The loss of my mom September 1st, 2015 to double-hit lymphoma was very, very painful (she was 68). But in the midst of the pain was a hope and peace as explained in Philippians 4:4-9 (http://bit.ly/phil4_4-9). Then, unexpectedly 120 days later, my dad died from lung cancer (age 72), leaving my brothers and sisters and I with a property and 47 years of marriage and memories for us to sort through and deal with.

We are all going to die. The question is not if but when. To put off the discussion about what happens after you die is to deny reality itself, and telling others not to have that discussion or that their position is stupid or foolish is really dumb. Oh, and in case you think the Christian message is foolish, the Bible agrees with you that it is http://bit.ly/1cor1_18-25

Re: Fighting Cancer

#82
First, for the general Reader: Outside of really breast/ovarian cancer, getting most common cancers at a young age is fairly within your control. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/06/upshot/helpless-to-prevent...

Pieter doesn't have a common cancer and he's way beyond that stage within stage IV cancer. In general it's really rude to say "fight more" because he's right, what do you think these patients are doing instead, joining the circus? Fighting isn't a great metaphor. The reason it got introduced was so that Reagan would create the National Cancer Institute, a Division of the NIH. A full page ad was taken out by Mary Lasker and the American Cancer Society to convince him that researching the causes and cures for cancer was a US healthcare priority (and to be frank, at the time, it essentially was) asking him to declare war on cancer in the NY times because the US was in the middle of the cold war. The other thing that the add did (along with the creation of the Jimmy Fund) was it normalized discussions of cancer in the US at that time. To explain how much of a big deal that ad was, my maternal grandmother died around 1973-1974 of cancer. The ad came out in 1969. My maternal grandfather is only now settling the argument if it was metastasis of her internal breast cancer from when she was younger, new breast cancer that spread to the bones, or a totally new bone cancer, because now we talk about cancer, whereas in 1969 -73 talking about cancer was difficult if not possible.

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Aa a personal note to Pieter, if he sees this: 1) I'm extraordinarily happy you are doing as well as you are in your end of days and I hope you are enjoying them to your fullest. i hope, for whatever it's worth, you are still experiencing moments of joy too. 2)im slightly concerned as an American about your distrust of marijuna at this stage, especially since it seems like low pain and enjoying food is a high priority for you. In the US, marijuna is partially approved (don't ask) for cancer patients as an appetite stimulant and pain suppressor, and many of the chemicals in it are made synthetically and prescribed to cancer patients for the same purpose. Meanwhile, many opiates are appetite suppressants (that's the other reason behind the Medrol). Since you deserve to enjoy your time and have as many thalis as you want, just think about it. (Again, I'll totally admit that this is a bias of seeing Americans treated) 3)do you need help getting the paperwork done. On a percentage scale, how much is left? How much can be done by volunteers/family/friends? (And I hate asking this, how much is in English, because I'm happy to volunteer, but I'm an English speaker...) 4)thalis. Mmmm. Thalis.

Re: Fighting Cancer

#83
post #56

Very sensible read, just one question, he mentioned "avoid junk foods, especially sugar", is sugar that bad for causing cancer?

I dunno about causes, but it is known that, unlike our bodies and brains which can run on glucose or ketones, that cancer can only run on glucose. Some of the more-promising research specifically relates to starving cancer cells of fuel. Your body can still make glucose fuel out of all kinds of stuff, including protein, though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metformin is a type 2 diabetes drug that, through usage, has appeared to yield cancer-suppressing benefits. Studies underway, and some notable scientists are beginning to take it prophylatically.

Re: Fighting Cancer

#84
" There are people who treat the dying as easy prey. " For some reason this hurt most. Maybe I expected way too much humanity off humans.

Re: Fighting Cancer

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a fact that lifestyle affects likelihood and progression of heart disease. Rare cases that end life early for genetic reasons do not change this. It is unfortunate that some people assume all early heart problems are avoidable, but only because sharing an opinion is unnecessary, not because the assumption is likely wrong. The morality of not taking care of oneself is subjective, of course. Edit: I should say I…

It is a fact that the effect exists, but I think that you are also victim to the popular idea that this effect is extremely powerful or even overwhelming, making "taking care of yourself" a powerful morality tale. Here is a quote from a large study: "having a BMI between 30 and 35 shortened life by an average of 0–1 years, having a BMI between 35 and 40 shortened life by 1–3 years, and having a BMI above 40 shortened…

What about going the other way? how does having a BMI of 25 to 30, 20 to 25, 15 to 20 work?

Re: Fighting Cancer

#86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a fact that lifestyle affects likelihood and progression of heart disease. Rare cases that end life early for genetic reasons do not change this. It is unfortunate that some people assume all early heart problems are avoidable, but only because sharing an opinion is unnecessary, not because the assumption is likely wrong. The morality of not taking care of oneself is subjective, of course. Edit: I should say I…

It is a fact that the effect exists, but I think that you are also victim to the popular idea that this effect is extremely powerful or even overwhelming, making "taking care of yourself" a powerful morality tale. Here is a quote from a large study: "having a BMI between 30 and 35 shortened life by an average of 0–1 years, having a BMI between 35 and 40 shortened life by 1–3 years, and having a BMI above 40 shortened…

We have a huge environment we live in, plus we shape are environment to an extraordinary high degree. Furthermore, we're actually quite sensitive as organisms to those changes, including in ways where it's only now coming out in some cases because our previous equipment wasn't sensitive enough to register what was happening. We also actually know very little about genetics, genomics, and epigenetic despite posturing that we do. That's why the error bars are big

Fundamentally, actually shrinking that error bar for many diseases is one of the biggest hard science and math problems of the future.

It's going to be so exciting!

Re: Fighting Cancer

#87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a fact that lifestyle affects likelihood and progression of heart disease. Rare cases that end life early for genetic reasons do not change this. It is unfortunate that some people assume all early heart problems are avoidable, but only because sharing an opinion is unnecessary, not because the assumption is likely wrong. The morality of not taking care of oneself is subjective, of course. Edit: I should say I…

It is a fact that the effect exists, but I think that you are also victim to the popular idea that this effect is extremely powerful or even overwhelming, making "taking care of yourself" a powerful morality tale. Here is a quote from a large study: "having a BMI between 30 and 35 shortened life by an average of 0–1 years, having a BMI between 35 and 40 shortened life by 1–3 years, and having a BMI above 40 shortened…

We have a huge environment we live in, plus we shape are environment to an extraordinary high degree. Furthermore, we're actually quite sensitive as organisms to those changes, including in ways where it's only now coming out in some cases because our previous equipment wasn't sensitive enough to register what was happening. We also actually know very little about genetics, genomics, and epigenetic despite posturing that we do. That's why the error bars are big

Fundamentally, actually shrinking that error bar for many diseases is one of the biggest hard science and math problems of the future.

It's going to be so exciting!

Re: Fighting Cancer

#88

Just an interesting related tangent here: My father in law is dying of heart disease (will probably die in People see me upset and the first thing they say is he will get better, or, it will be ok. When I explain the situation, it's something like, "oh, well, I just KNOW he will get better. Don't worry" What? In case you are wondering: He has already had open heart 2 years ago, 4 of 5 arteries are completely blocked…

Talk to this guy: http://www.drgundry.com He has had good results with people like your father in law.

Re: Fighting Cancer

#89
post #44
post #29

A beautiful read, for many of the reasons already mentioned here. I'm inclined to rethink this one question, though: > Can a single individual patient second-guess the medical machine? Is that really their duty? I don't know if it's anyone's duty , but I think it's completely plausible for a single patient or small group of patients to arrive at a more patient-focused conclusion than the medical industry.

> I think it's completely plausible for a single patient or small group of patients to arrive at a more patient-focused conclusion than the medical industry. Try other things and odds are very good your going to make things worse and get many people killed. Yet, some people still don't use seat belts because of those tiny odds it's going to make things worse. Let's avoid vaccines, buy guns, and go vegan because clear…

No - I've heard that if you eat exactly the right things, move in exactly the right ways, think exactly the right thoughts, and carefully control your breathing, you can live forever and never die. You can detect when you're in this state through visual inspection of your excrement, an inner feeling of subtle warmth radiating from the stomach or chest, a clearness of mind, and a feeling of being a conduit through which the natural order of the earth and its life flows.

This must be true, because a version of this has been told to me by 4 out of 5 people that I've ever met.

Re: Fighting Cancer

#90

Just an interesting related tangent here: My father in law is dying of heart disease (will probably die in People see me upset and the first thing they say is he will get better, or, it will be ok. When I explain the situation, it's something like, "oh, well, I just KNOW he will get better. Don't worry" What? In case you are wondering: He has already had open heart 2 years ago, 4 of 5 arteries are completely blocked…

It is a really weird situation (I'm trying to put myself in your friends position). I guess I'd revert into this BS nice talk as a way to help you emotionally (even though I know it's BS).

So -assuming that I do care and that situation makes me sad- what am I supposed to say? How could I really help?

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