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The Strange Politics of Peter Thiel, Trump’s Most Unlikely Supporter

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Re: The Strange Politics of Peter Thiel, Trump’s Most Unlikely Supporter

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Why is everyone surprised that Peter Thiel said this or said that? Is that because we expect Peter Thiel to be a genius, when he is just a person with probably a boatload of baggage, some brilliance and plenty of idiocy - similar to anybody else ?

for example, if it's indeed true that Peter Thiel is skeptical of women's suffrage, then I think it is reasonable to conclude that he is probably at least to some extent an idiot and we should view his actions at least partially through that prism

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>They are total hypocrites Maybe they are angry because people are coming illegally.

You're right - a descendant of French immigrants has quite the leg to stand on. After all, his great-grandparents legally entered the country... At the time when undesirables, like Chinese, Indians, and the Polish were barred from entry. But at least the Frenchmen came legally! Sure, entry was granted under an extremely racist immigration law, but the legality is what gives him the moral high ground to stand on.

Under your rational then you should be pro building a wall as currently illegal immigration is a default "racist" policy that encourages those from central America while discriminating against Indians and Chinese.

Build the wall and regulate immigration so more Indians and Chinese come relative to their world population.

Re: The Strange Politics of Peter Thiel, Trump’s Most Unlikely Supporter

#83

There is no evidence that Thiel is a genius. There's a large amount of evidence that he is not. And yet people still think that because one of his hundreds of investments made a lot of money that he must be a genius. He's just not who people want him to be. He's not another Musk.

Can you please elaborate on the large amount of evidence that he is not a genius? If you are going to cite some of his investment failures, then you also have to consider his successes, and the fact that he has, overall, been very, very successful. He did not just have one good investment. He has had many, in addition to founding PayPal and Palantir.

He has not had many successes. He's had a very few out of a great many. Like literally anyone with his connections and money could expect to have. The Facebook deal was dropped in his lap by Reid Hoffman due to a conflict of interest he had.

Probably the most damning evidence of his lack of genius is when he pushed Zuckerberg very hard to sell Facebook at like $1 billion.

He also sold PayPal early in a similar situation and has pushed other founders to sell early, though I forget the specific examples.

This is very clearly not genius levels of vision. Thiel wouldn't be a famous billionaire today if Zuckerberg had listened to his advice.

There's also the fact that Elon Musk showed us exactly what a real genius could do with his incredibly privileged position in the world.

Re: The Strange Politics of Peter Thiel, Trump’s Most Unlikely Supporter

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> The billionaire tech investor has been a staunch opponent of immigration. Back in 2008, Gawker found that Thiel had donated $1 million to NumbersUSA, an anti-immigration group that has consistently been labelled racist and a firm fan of active population control. ... > He then invested in the SeaSteading Institute which wanted to turn Thiel’s dream into a reality. The reason? He felt the government wasn’t doing eno…

It isn't you are just changing the mix of who is coming. One could argue that decrease low skilled immigration and upping higher skilled immigration would boost those at the bottom. Raising wages at the bottom while reducing the price of some more complex services.

I guess it's under the whole idea the immigration drives down wages. It's likely true that it does drive down wages for certain individuals but the net impact is at worse break even. Wages are an expense after-all, and if you cut the expense and prices go down, everyone benefits by at least the amount that the price had dropped. Some lose out by losing their job so their losses would be offset by the gains of others by having lower prices. This ignores the fact that more people are buying the product at the lower price. And this also assumes that markets are competitive and that the company can't just continue to charge the same price and pocket the difference, which I don't think is unreasonable in a competitive market economy.

So the many get lower prices, and pay taxes that compensate the concentrated few that are affected by the job losses or lower wages.

Re: The Strange Politics of Peter Thiel, Trump’s Most Unlikely Supporter

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The Diversity Myth, a 1995 book [Thiel] co-wrote with David O. Sacks, railed against multiculturalism, which, they wrote, “exists to destroy Western culture.” What is up with all these people lately thinking that Western culture is some form of homogeneous block that's been unadultered for millennia and has recently come under "multiculturalist" attack? Especially coming from the US, a country that didn't exist when…

Same idea, basically, as with Putin's view that the values of modern Western societies are intrinsically hostile towards "Russian" and Eastern Orthodox values; the stance taken by generations of nationalist and autocratic leaders in Turkey that the state must protect itself against "insults to Turkishness" (and most diligently); or the belief among American conservatives that they must be ever-vigilant in their defense of "Judeo-Christian values" (whatever that means), etc.

And let's of course not forget the hard-core Islamists obsessed with the idea that Western music, Western culture, Western everything are intrinsic threats to the sacrosanct purity of "Islamic values".

Funny how it all comes full circle.

Re: The Strange Politics of Peter Thiel, Trump’s Most Unlikely Supporter

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The Diversity Myth, a 1995 book [Thiel] co-wrote with David O. Sacks, railed against multiculturalism, which, they wrote, “exists to destroy Western culture.” What is up with all these people lately thinking that Western culture is some form of homogeneous block that's been unadultered for millennia and has recently come under "multiculturalist" attack? Especially coming from the US, a country that didn't exist when…

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Re: The Strange Politics of Peter Thiel, Trump’s Most Unlikely Supporter

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The Diversity Myth, a 1995 book [Thiel] co-wrote with David O. Sacks, railed against multiculturalism, which, they wrote, “exists to destroy Western culture.” What is up with all these people lately thinking that Western culture is some form of homogeneous block that's been unadultered for millennia and has recently come under "multiculturalist" attack? Especially coming from the US, a country that didn't exist when…

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Re: The Strange Politics of Peter Thiel, Trump’s Most Unlikely Supporter

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post #34

The Diversity Myth, a 1995 book [Thiel] co-wrote with David O. Sacks, railed against multiculturalism, which, they wrote, “exists to destroy Western culture.” What is up with all these people lately thinking that Western culture is some form of homogeneous block that's been unadultered for millennia and has recently come under "multiculturalist" attack? Especially coming from the US, a country that didn't exist when…

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Re: The Strange Politics of Peter Thiel, Trump’s Most Unlikely Supporter

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They are total hypocrites Maybe they are angry because people are coming illegally.

You are being dishonest if you think it's about legality. It's not about that. It's about the race of the immigrants. If all our illegal immigrants were from Germany and Ireland, I am certain that there would be far less complaining. In fact most of the angry people today would not be fighting to keep them out -- they'd be fighting for visas for them.

You think pro illegal immigration congressman Luis Gutierrez and the Catholic churches harboring those here illegally would be doing so if most people here coming illegally were from India and Hindu or Sikh?
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