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Re: Google Cuts Its Giant Electricity Bill with DeepMind-Powered AI

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Post by liquidmetal » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 8:42 PM UTC

throwanem wrote: post #63

knowThySelfx wrote: post #53

At some point will AI start to have questions like "Who am I? Who made me? Whats the purpose of my existence?" etc. We will have atheist AI's and theist/deist AI's and what not. I guess it will be time for some AI philosophy. Makes me wonder if there's a creator, will He/She be amused by our attempts at answering "Who am I" and such questions. Will be fun :D

It'll need to grow a concept of "I" first, and that's probably not very likely; there's a reasonable case that self-awareness is an evolutionary cul-de-sac.

Tangent here - self-awareness is an evolutionary cul-de-sec? Do you have any further reading suggestions on this?

Re: Google Cuts Its Giant Electricity Bill with DeepMind-Powered AI

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Post by liquidmetal » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 8:47 PM UTC

ComodoHacker wrote: post #62

iamleppert wrote: post #28

How exactly is this better than standard PID control? I'm thinking if you actually look at what it came up with, is probably some form of PID control on systems that previously didn't have it. Think fans that are simply left on all the time. We're talking about simple physics. Heat transfer. Cooling systems. They should have been installed, operated and programmed correctly using very simple techniques. It's an inter…

It's not just physics. It's also patterns of workload distribution, changing over time. If you predict them, you can distribute energy more efficiently.

+1

There can be hidden variables that the PID system failed to account for. Workload distribution over time, temperature at the time of day, heat leaking into the datacenter, etc. I'm not sure if a PID based controller would account for such things.

What remains to be seen, however, is whether these manipulations keep the machines working at similar efficiencies and if they fail at similar rates as before turning on the control system.

Re: Google Cuts Its Giant Electricity Bill with DeepMind-Powered AI

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Post by throwanem » Sat, Jul 30, 2016, 1:35 PM UTC

liquidmetal wrote: post #81

throwanem wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'll need to grow a concept of "I" first, and that's probably not very likely; there's a reasonable case that self-awareness is an evolutionary cul-de-sac.

Tangent here - self-awareness is an evolutionary cul-de-sec? Do you have any further reading suggestions on this?

Peter Watts's Blindsight - good fiction on the one hand, and exhaustively referenced on the other. (Watts is the only sf author I've run across whose novels include discussions and bibliographies of the research he used to inform and shape the narrative. In addition to earning him a new high score on the hardness scale, this seems counterintuitively to produce better stories, not worse ones.)