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Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by pluma »

kimmshibal wrote: post #67
oblio wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the solution is to allow people to kill random strangers and then claim that they killed an addict? Or even better, they will kill competitors/people they don't like and then claim that they killed an addict.

Why you say they will kill random stranger? They kill an addict. Prisons don't have space anymore because gov don't have budget. You are welcome to go to my country and get mug by them. Your view will change.

Addicts are humans, too. We're not talking about killing an addict in self-defense. We're talking about being explicitly told to seek out and murder addicts.

Do you not see any moral problem with that?

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Post by simonh »

cocotino wrote: post #68
electic wrote: post #16

> During the campaign, Duterte said 100,000 people would die in his crackdown, with so many dead bodies dumped in Manila Bay that fish there would grow fat from feeding on them. This isn't a joke. This is real. What a sick bastard.

Tell that to those who are tired of not being safe in their own homes because of the drug lords. Of course it's easy to say he's sick when you live in a civilised place with police protection.

I'm sure if the entire country was heavily armed and bullets were handed out like sweets the situation would calm right down very quickly. The US arms industry would be happy to provide them with a nice bulk discount.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by electic »

cocotino wrote: post #68
electic wrote: post #16

> During the campaign, Duterte said 100,000 people would die in his crackdown, with so many dead bodies dumped in Manila Bay that fish there would grow fat from feeding on them. This isn't a joke. This is real. What a sick bastard.

Tell that to those who are tired of not being safe in their own homes because of the drug lords. Of course it's easy to say he's sick when you live in a civilised place with police protection.

Solving crime with crime won't solve crime.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by pedalpete »

OoTheNigerian wrote: post #43

As usual, mostly western commentators sitting on their high horses pointing and pontificating with no idea of local context or understanding. First of all, Duterte was elected overwhelmingly with a clear mandate of using brute violence to clear out drug dealers. He was clear about it and he is delivering on that mandate. I have to accept, he has made a PR error by not calling them terrorists. At which point, he will…

Ok, let's look at this on an even playing field, which should be very doable with the atrocities befalling the US and somewhat indiscriminate killing of African Americans.

Note: I'm not American and don't live in the US.

African Americans have been killed by police, imprisoned as almost a racial policy (often resulting from petty drug offenses). So let's say there are an equal number of people killed on each side. 30 African American's in the past week (not true, but let's just make it simple) and 30 Philippine Drug Dealers.

Two wrongs. Why is America better? It is attempting to face the tragedy and stop the killing.

In the Phillipines, what is preventing somebody from killing their neighbor, and saying "he was a drug addict" with no evidence?

What 'radical progress' are you expecting from the killing of drug addicts? Unless, you consider a pile of dead bodies 'progress'. If the Phillipines were 'drug free', would that be 'radical progress'? If so, how? How would it change the rest of the country? The lives of the people?

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by jacquesm »

geowwy wrote: post #25
libeclipse wrote: post #2

Is this a joke? Surely something so utterly stupid can't be real. This man just gave the public free rein to murder and get away with it. Jesus this planet is insane.

Seems crazy but people of the Philippines knew what they were voting for. This is exactly what he did when he was mayor of Davao: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigo_Duterte#Davao_City_may... To play devil's advocate: Drugs and the criminal networks supported by drugs are a massive problem in the Philippines. Police are too weak and too corrupt to deal with it, but this is a solution that works, even if it does off…

> Police are too weak and too corrupt to deal with it

Yes, so let's go kill a bunch of people, instead of reforming the police force.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by pluma »

rimantas wrote: post #13
cyberferret wrote: post #5

Truly, we live in a world gone mad... Where will this end? In a few years, shooting jay walkers will be the norm...

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2...

To summarize most of these graphs: there's currently a significant increase in bad things, but overall there has been a downward trend for decades.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by croon »

joe5150 wrote: post #61
Bakary wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's actually not that insane from the perspective of a local voter who has nothing to lose and has a miserable crime-ridden existence. It's not qualitatively different from disenfranchised workers voting for Trump. It's the nuclear option for people who have no way to profit from the existing system. It just so happens that life is much, much easier in the US so there is no need to consider actual violence when thin…

this is not remotely like voting for Trump. and it doesn't "so happen" that life is easier in countries with functioning (if deeply flawed) justice systems than it is in ones where corruption and vigilantism rule; there are pretty good reasons for why that is.

You expressed two opinions opposing the statement of parent. You expressed no reasoning behind those opinions.

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Post by [deleted] »

briandear wrote: post #66
deanCommie wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Society. Society is responsible. The fact that people in the richest country in the world are still having this debate is appalling to Canadians and Western Europeans. Americans will be the last on this ship, but part of living in a prosperous 21st century society means giving up some liberty (in the form of taxes, limited access to guns, suffering additional government bureaucracy) for the knowledge that getting sic…

"Giving up liberty.." No. Liberty doesn't mean anyone has the right to harm other people. We should be encouraging more liberty, not less. We are not and should not ever be the Soviet Union. The Bolsheviks said the exact same things you are saying -- almost exactly. And no, it won't be different this time. Man is man. Suffering additional government bureaucracy? No way. It's interesting because I would bet you're opp…

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Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by herbst »

jacquesm wrote: post #24
johnhaltonx wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

well you're right, but as a side note multiple US presidents have authorized target killings in an undeclared war in countrys that are not part of this "war" with civil casualties .... and both got reelected .... I'm from germany, we're helping because our government does nothing in stopping the use of Rammstein Airbase as drone satellite uplink. So we are also partly responsible. :( food for thought

That's true but besides the point. Imagine Obama, Bush or Clinton calling on national TV for the killing of all drug addicts and pushers. > I'm from germany, we're helping because our government does nothing in stopping the use of Rammstein Airbase as drone satellite uplink. So we are also partly responsible. :( > food for thought Definitely, but totally OT.

I don't want to be euphemistically. But i've seen several public interviews of all of them where they justified killing people they claimed to be terrorists. While numbers showed that a majority are actually civil victims.

You can not really compare that, but i honestly think thats even worse. At least officially the philippines only kill THEIR PEOPLE people that damage THEIR society.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by bubuga »

OoTheNigerian wrote: post #43

As usual, mostly western commentators sitting on their high horses pointing and pontificating with no idea of local context or understanding. First of all, Duterte was elected overwhelmingly with a clear mandate of using brute violence to clear out drug dealers. He was clear about it and he is delivering on that mandate. I have to accept, he has made a PR error by not calling them terrorists. At which point, he will…

> As usual, mostly western commentators sitting on their high horses pointing and pontificating with no idea of local context or understanding.

Pray tell, what context justifies arbitrary lynchings, summary executions, extrajudicial capital punishment, and an overall disrespect for human life?

Perhaps it's the view from the high horse I'm sitting on, but when I look throughout europe I don't see nations with major drug problems, and they haven't fixed any problems they had with assassinations.

Could you please provide any insight on what makes this sort of rampant uncivilized behaviour necessary or even remotely justified?

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