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David Cameron announces resignation

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Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by lambertsimnel »

dogma1138 wrote: post #50
gonzo41 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really not that invested in this. I just think it's amazing that Cameron would let it happen. What a massive mistake. And what a way to to end your career and cement in your legacy as the person who to get short term gain (ukip support) at an election with the cost of destroyed an economy. I'm very my pro remain. People voting to leave is mostly about not understanding what your losing. Strong tightly integrated…

I don't understand why people blame this on Cameron, no one else would be in a position not go a ahead with this, this is a divisive matter but it's clear that the people wanted a vote on the subject. And let's be fair English left was pretty much demolished in the last elections the Labour lost just as many votes to UKIP as the Tories did as the British blue collar workers used to be their base and many of those are…

Actually, the Labour vote went up under Milliband. It was a quirk of the voting system that caused Labour to lose seats.

Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by geff82 »

e12e wrote: post #77
geff82 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem we currently have in politics it demography. People get older and older, the baby boomers forgot to "produce" children. Elder people tend to be deeply conservative and anti-technology. And as they are the majority now, they vote for stuff that they think is right ("let's 100% control that freaking thing called internet") and totally strangle the younger generation with their bad taste and shortsightedness…

I find it at a little odd to read this characterisation on HN of all places. I mean, it's pretty much run by "old" technologists, right?

You are absolutely right, while I am, too. Of course there are progressive, far thinking elderly people and I enjoy being around them. I recently talked to a 71 year old who is into fractal programming and wants to get into Linux, soon (all while being politically liberal). But the elections and polls show always the same picture: the older people get, the more conservative/right wing they vote, which is often not what the younger need. I don't think it helps the younger UK generation, that has been used to think globally/European, that they now are politically separated from EVERY neighbor they have.

Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by youngtaff »

verbify wrote: post #71
geff82 wrote: post #42

He'll go down in history as one of the worst leaders the UK ever had. Which he already was before yesterday. By the way, if he let the people decide on such a super topic as leave/remain in the EU, why does he not let his people vote on whether they want total surveillance or not? If they want a police state? Why can't they decide on stuff that affects their daily lives in a potential negative way? Or will they ignor…

Do you forget what a shambles Tony Blair was? Led us into a pointless war that cost 100,000s of lives. As bad as David Cameron was, he kept us out of war.

Blair is probably the reason many Labour heartlands voted for out, he opened the doors to mass migration without thinking about the implications for those who might be displaced by it (or rather feel they were displaced by it)

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Post by kimi »

m_mueller wrote: post #12
berkut wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That explains the result of the referendum, not the agreeing to it in the first place.

As a Swiss this argument kind of baffles me. Governing according to the people's will should be the norm in a democracy, not some kind of strategic play.

And sometimes inconvenient, eg Feb 9th.

Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by AimHere »

verbify wrote: post #71
geff82 wrote: post #42

He'll go down in history as one of the worst leaders the UK ever had. Which he already was before yesterday. By the way, if he let the people decide on such a super topic as leave/remain in the EU, why does he not let his people vote on whether they want total surveillance or not? If they want a police state? Why can't they decide on stuff that affects their daily lives in a potential negative way? Or will they ignor…

Do you forget what a shambles Tony Blair was? Led us into a pointless war that cost 100,000s of lives. As bad as David Cameron was, he kept us out of war.

Not really. The UK is bombing Syria at his behest. The joke is that a year or two before that, he tried, and failed, to get the UK to drop bombs on the other side of the war.

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Post by parenthesis »

jdimov10 wrote: post #78
geff82 wrote: post #42

He'll go down in history as one of the worst leaders the UK ever had. Which he already was before yesterday. By the way, if he let the people decide on such a super topic as leave/remain in the EU, why does he not let his people vote on whether they want total surveillance or not? If they want a police state? Why can't they decide on stuff that affects their daily lives in a potential negative way? Or will they ignor…

Hard to beat Blair, really. Cameron may be dumber, but certainly not worse.

Every prime minister has their "Suez":

David Cameron: losing the EU referendum

Gordon Brown: The financial crisis

Tony Blair: Iraq

John Major: Black Wednesday; Tory party "sleaze"

Margaret Thatcher: The poll tax

James Callaghan: The Winter of Discontent

… etc.

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Post by youngtaff »

gonvaled wrote: post #69
fahrradflucht wrote: post #60

In my opinion, the most interesting thing he said in that speech is that he doesn't plan to trigger article 50 immediately. That will be controversial in both, the EU and Britain I think.

If the UK starts muddling through, the EU should firmly act and suspend UK membership: we can not allow uncertainty, and a future ex-member abusing the good will of the rest of the EU. Cameron promised to trigger article 50 immediately: if he does not, we should force him to.

There is no process for the EU to suspend the UK or for the EU to trigger article 50

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Post by random_upvoter »

geff82 wrote: post #42

He'll go down in history as one of the worst leaders the UK ever had. Which he already was before yesterday. By the way, if he let the people decide on such a super topic as leave/remain in the EU, why does he not let his people vote on whether they want total surveillance or not? If they want a police state? Why can't they decide on stuff that affects their daily lives in a potential negative way? Or will they ignor…

Cameron called for the referendum in the hope of shutting up the eurosceptics in his own party forever. At the time it was not a bad idea, given that literally nobody believed that the leave vote could win.

Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by UK-AL »

gonvaled wrote: post #69
fahrradflucht wrote: post #60

In my opinion, the most interesting thing he said in that speech is that he doesn't plan to trigger article 50 immediately. That will be controversial in both, the EU and Britain I think.

If the UK starts muddling through, the EU should firmly act and suspend UK membership: we can not allow uncertainty, and a future ex-member abusing the good will of the rest of the EU. Cameron promised to trigger article 50 immediately: if he does not, we should force him to.

Why?, we should have our cards in order before we do so.
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