This really makes me consider moving my family to Zurich. Looking back at growing up in Germany/Europe made me really feel disadvantaged compared to people growing up in more tech friendly environments. I would want my child to grow up somewhere where technology is not overwhelmingly debated about in a negative light. So much good stuff is coming out of ETH that it really seems to be a place where people talk more en…
Not at all. Germany is one of the most tech/dev friendly country, especially if you are outside web dev. I see a lot of C++ engineering opportunities there. If only it was an English speaking country, and they had a sun... (It's a shame that we don't have a good English speaking country in whole Europe...) ;)
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#82This really makes me consider moving my family to Zurich. Looking back at growing up in Germany/Europe made me really feel disadvantaged compared to people growing up in more tech friendly environments. I would want my child to grow up somewhere where technology is not overwhelmingly debated about in a negative light. So much good stuff is coming out of ETH that it really seems to be a place where people talk more en…
I have actually applied to Google Zurich (but after 10 interviews they didn't hire me) and studied a bit how the life is there. There are many advantages or living there, but the cost of life and the fact that most people in Zurich are immigrants makes it a pretty cold city where it is hard to make friends or stay for a very long period of time. I think that now your point about "tech friendly environments" is not re…
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Well, finance takes also a large chunk of Switzerland's GDP and thus is scooping up many engineers as well. Maybe it's not as pronounced as in London, but it certainly isn't very easy to hire good engineers here because of all the banks and hedge funds. I think google came to Zurich because of EPFL/ETH, the very high living standard and most of all the rather liberal labor law. It's very easy to fire someone in Switz…
I think that Google went to Zurich because an early engineer was from there.
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#84>This really makes me consider moving my family to Zurich. If you immigrate to America you can become an American. You can shop till you drop, eat mc donlads, celebrate 4th of july and call yourself an american. This can not be said for any other country. In Germany you will always be an "immigrant", maybe if your kids are white and young enough to pick up the language maybe they can become invisible. But for anyone…
Sure you can call yourself whatever you want but whether or not you being treated as an american is a different story. I know several immigrants who get yelled by the local people to "go back to your country." US immigrants still suffer from loneliness like other immigrants too.
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It is really a stretch to claim that Germany isn't tech friendly. It isn't pseudo-tech friendly, i.e. Germans have the obnoxious habit of separating hype from tech. The only area where I'd agree is nuclear power, which regrettably doesn't have wide acceptance.
But that's only because nuclear power uses non-renewable raw materials, creates waste products that are dangerous for tens of thousands of years and occasionally leads to catastrophic accidents.
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Everyone who has an EU passport (including Romania and Bulgaria since 1.6.) can / will get a work permit.
As a Romanian, that sounds great! Does the Swiss tech scene have any life in it? I mean, apart from Google's offices and the like (I would personally like to avoid big corporations, mostly). I'm asking because as seen from Eastern Europe industrial powerhouses like Germany and Northern Italy look like they're at least 10-15 years back when it comes to IT (Berlin excluded).
- The biggest Google software engineering office outside California (around 2000 employees).
- Logitec, Microsoft, IBM, Cisco
- ETH university
- Many ETH-spinoff/startups: Doodle, Bitspin (bought by Google), Teralytics, Archilogic, Fashwell, Getyourguide, Numbrs and I surely forgot many others.
It is a great place to live and is the only place where net-salaries are on par with New York / SF. Salaries are in the range of 7000 - 10.000 CHF / month after taxes. However apartments can be way cheaper than in San Francisco.
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#87>This really makes me consider moving my family to Zurich. If you immigrate to America you can become an American. You can shop till you drop, eat mc donlads, celebrate 4th of july and call yourself an american. This can not be said for any other country. In Germany you will always be an "immigrant", maybe if your kids are white and young enough to pick up the language maybe they can become invisible. But for anyone…
Lived ten years in California. Studies, Green Card etc. Could have gone for citizenship, but didn't. I was never seen as an American. Ever. Not even a little bit. I was always 'the German'.
Almost every coffee shop, restaurant, super market, you name it I got asked where I am from or where my accent is from.
No. It is not cute. It reminds you you are NOT one of them.
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Not at all. Germany is one of the most tech/dev friendly country, especially if you are outside web dev. I see a lot of C++ engineering opportunities there. If only it was an English speaking country, and they had a sun... (It's a shame that we don't have a good English speaking country in whole Europe...) ;)
I hear the English can speak English quite well
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I'm moving back to Google Zurich. The male/female ratio is a huge issue there, so it's good to bring a girlfriend, but cost of living was never a problem. Taxes are minimal, salary at Google Zurich is huge.
Glassdoors shows pretty average. What do you call huge?
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Dude, enough already. You've been spamming every thread that barely touches anything Swiss+jobs with your top 8 list and placement offers for a long time now. Please stop.
Clearly it's still beneficial for some people.