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Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by pessimizer »

13of40 wrote: post #13
curiousgal wrote: post #2

As per the post[0], the upgrade did not crash the computer BUT it did download 6Gb of data over satellite-internet which can be quite expensive. OP is having an AMA[1]. 0. https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/4mcdon/i_live_i... 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4mirin/i_am_the_accid...

I think it's weird that so many people want to demonize Microsoft for snapping to a model that Apple has been using for a decade. I'm currently in one of those weeks where every time I wake up my iPad I have to click through two separate dialogs to tell it that, no, I don't want to install the updated version of iOS it downloaded without asking. Yet everyone is fine with this. I mean, except the Linux guys, I guess.

I disagree with your premise. Plenty of people demonize(d) Apple for it, too. I generally hear what Microsoft is doing with Windows 10 described as "moving to the Apple model."

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by jmiserez »

codedokode wrote: post #71

Using dark UI patterns (like dialogs without cancel button) is disrespectful to users. They bought Windows to get stable and reliable operationg system. The system that updates at night and gets drivers or software broken is nowhere near stable. Even linux (which is awful as desktop system) doesn't autoupdate. It might be acceptable if Microsoft gave their product away for free: many free products (e.g. Sublime or Sk…

> Even linux (which is awful as desktop system)

I disagree. Linux is great as a desktop system precisely because you're in control, not some third-party. And in terms of desktop functionality there is no meaningful difference anymore.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by asimuvPR »

hackney wrote: post #73
asimuvPR wrote: post #40

I tune cars as as as a hobby. My current setup is based around windows xp due to driver supports (technically an embedded application). My plan was to upgrade to a windows 8 machine and emulate an xp install. But I'm not going to anymore. I tune while driving and it could be catastrophic to have the machine install updates. I'll continue with the air gapped xp machine. Too bad because I was looking forward to not usi…

If you would update to 8, which is more of a TS interface with an ap store, why not windows 7? You could have a 64bit OS with a nice quad core+ cpu which is impossible in XP. Then you could virtual machine xp on top of that and have the latest and greatest. XP is rather dated to say the least. The only reason to run it is if you have older hardware such as a pentium 4 single core processor on board.

I believe it also upgrades itself. Not sure. I really don't want to risk it because it could brick t he car's ecu (not cheap).

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by Mithaldu »

swang wrote: post #78
Mithaldu wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit: After some thinking: Yes, i agree this is a dark pattern and MS needs to be held accountable to it accordingly. My only disagreement with the current direction of discourse is that people are not saying "MS manipulated me into an update", which is the truth, but "Windows updated on its own and there was nothing anyone could do", which isn't. -- They didn't change it, it was always that way. People only realized…

Surely you're joking? "Click here to change your upgrade schedule" is in such tiny font of course no one will see it. If Microsoft cared about its users, that option would be way bigger than it is. Edit: They purposely put in all that information because they know people won't want to read through all that. That dialog is purposely designed to trick users because they've been taught that if they want to cancel, hit t…

It is in the normal font size for that system, compare it with the window title. The "this is recommended" and the date are the only enlarged bits in that window.

> all that

I don't know about you, but to me and most anyone i know the amount of text in that window is miniscule. Difference in perspective i guess.

As for what users are taught to: What i and everyone else i know have been taught to is "Read everything the computer prints on the screen unless you know exactly what it is."

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by cm2187 »

jmiserez wrote: post #82
codedokode wrote: post #71

Using dark UI patterns (like dialogs without cancel button) is disrespectful to users. They bought Windows to get stable and reliable operationg system. The system that updates at night and gets drivers or software broken is nowhere near stable. Even linux (which is awful as desktop system) doesn't autoupdate. It might be acceptable if Microsoft gave their product away for free: many free products (e.g. Sublime or Sk…

> Even linux (which is awful as desktop system) I disagree. Linux is great as a desktop system precisely because you're in control, not some third-party. And in terms of desktop functionality there is no meaningful difference anymore.

But the drivers problem isn't really behind them. I just purchased a lenovo laptop after reading similar comments noting the progress of linux desktop, and can't get the laptop to connect to an external monitor, despite the device being on ubuntu's certified list.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by zatkin »

jmiserez wrote: post #82
codedokode wrote: post #71

Using dark UI patterns (like dialogs without cancel button) is disrespectful to users. They bought Windows to get stable and reliable operationg system. The system that updates at night and gets drivers or software broken is nowhere near stable. Even linux (which is awful as desktop system) doesn't autoupdate. It might be acceptable if Microsoft gave their product away for free: many free products (e.g. Sublime or Sk…

> Even linux (which is awful as desktop system) I disagree. Linux is great as a desktop system precisely because you're in control, not some third-party. And in terms of desktop functionality there is no meaningful difference anymore.

Not for all Linux distributions. A lot of Linux distributions give you lots of control at the expense of reading an excessive amount of documentation just to tweak things to your satisfaction.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by codedokode »

jmiserez wrote: post #82
codedokode wrote: post #71

Using dark UI patterns (like dialogs without cancel button) is disrespectful to users. They bought Windows to get stable and reliable operationg system. The system that updates at night and gets drivers or software broken is nowhere near stable. Even linux (which is awful as desktop system) doesn't autoupdate. It might be acceptable if Microsoft gave their product away for free: many free products (e.g. Sublime or Sk…

> Even linux (which is awful as desktop system) I disagree. Linux is great as a desktop system precisely because you're in control, not some third-party. And in terms of desktop functionality there is no meaningful difference anymore.

Linux might be great if you have enough free time for learning how to set it up, experimenting and fixing bugs. Also you'll need time to optimize it. For example out-of-the-box Debian boots slower that Windows. And latest Ununtu is maybe 2 or 3 times slower than Debian, I don't remember when I saw such a long operating system bootup. Maybe it needs SSD but I don't want to buy it.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by cm2187 »

userbinator wrote: post #23
13of40 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's weird that so many people want to demonize Microsoft for snapping to a model that Apple has been using for a decade. I'm currently in one of those weeks where every time I wake up my iPad I have to click through two separate dialogs to tell it that, no, I don't want to install the updated version of iOS it downloaded without asking. Yet everyone is fine with this. I mean, except the Linux guys, I guess.

It's not weird, and succinctly explained in one phrase: "If I wanted the Apple way, I'd buy a Mac." People do not want Microsoft to turn into another Google nor Apple. They want MS to be different from the others, so they can actually choose what they want and not get a product that differs from other offerings by nothing more than who made it.

And in my case there is the added frustration that I will have to switch to another platform which has its own problems (linux). I guess for IT professionals learning linux is a good thing anyway. But I am not an IT professional and I have little appetite to dedicate some time to relearn the basics.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by morganvachon »

cm2187 wrote: post #59
pizzachef2 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can turn those off.

Or you can have no appetite to play whack-a-mole with microsoft's privacy settings and refuse to upgrade.

> whack-a-mole with microsoft's privacy settings

Indeed, their ever-changing "Get Windows 10" dialog is appalling. It's like a real life version of Cat Facts[1], or those stupid Best Buy emails I started getting after I bought a memory card from them and made absolutely sure I wasn't sharing my email address or signing up for anything. Hitting the "unsubscribe" link in the email resulted in more frequent spam from them, rather than actually unsubbing me.

[1] http://i.imgur.com/rsQ93.png

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by harikb »

curiousgal wrote: post #10
zanny wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd personally see people just stop using Windows. The more people using Linux, the more money in the market for Wine to get better and better replace all the Windows APIs for everyones "I cannot use Linux because X program is Windows only" software. I mean, I'm already playing Skyrim natively on an AMD GPU thanks to Gallium Nine. And that is only because there has been a lot of internal pressure in the community to…

Ever since I could run 1Password using Wine with full browser integration, I've completely turned my back to Windows.

Oh it does? I am trying it today! I wouldn't believe browser integration until I try it...
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