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Norway reportedly agrees on banning new sales of gas-powered cars by 2025

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Re: Norway reportedly agrees on banning new sales of gas-powered cars by 2025

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Post by superuser2 »

alkonaut wrote: post #77
superuser2 wrote: post #68

I'll keep banging on this since I haven't yet heard a satisfactory answer: what are you going to do about people who park on the street or in garages they do not own? Overnight charging systems are for homeowners. Even with a (high end, optimistic) public charge station time of 30 minutes, if there are just 4 people ahead of you in line, that's 2.5 hours out of your day. Yes self driving may fix this eventually, but…

Charging posts on the streets and in public parkings is becoming more and more common. Also, electricity is 230V so charging at home is quicker than with 110. Perhaps most importantly, since Scandinavia is at 60deg north, we use engine heaters in winter. That means that a lot of parking spaces, such as those outside multi-tenant buildings have a charger post with at least 230V/10A (because at -25C if you don't plug i…

Thanks, that explains why this isn't crazy for Norway.

Still interested in how we are going to make the electrical infrastructure buildout happen in the US. Commercial parking facility owners will respond to market incentives, sure, but I'm not sure that city governments and entrenched landlords will.

Re: Norway reportedly agrees on banning new sales of gas-powered cars by 2025

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Post by CalRobert »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #79
aftbit wrote: post #78

This is a very bold bet. It would not work in the US, at least without some kind of revolution in public transit. There are plenty of places where not owning a car means you basically cannot have a job or a social life, and many of these are far from any existing EV stations. It will take a long time to replicate the network of petrol stations that covers basically all US roads. Also, modern EV cars are still an orde…

> It will take a long time to replicate the network of petrol stations that covers basically all US roads. Every home is a slow charger. Tesla has Superchargers covering most of the first world. > Also, modern EV cars are still an order of magnitude slower to recharge than gasoline cars are to refill. Vehicles sit idle ~95% of the time. Average US round trip commute is ~45 miles/day. Plenty of charge time. > Fortunat…

"Every home is a slow charger. Tesla has Superchargers covering most of the first world."

I agree with your post, BUT remember that we apartment-dwellers are often forgotten. Few landlords are cool with snaking an extension cable to your car. My own apartment has no parking at all (a good thing, in my view, since parking encourages auto reliance), so I've parked on the street since I moved here. Incidentally, I sold my car earlier this afternoon, and am moving to a city where living car-free is practical.

Re: Norway reportedly agrees on banning new sales of gas-powered cars by 2025

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Post by orik »

rpgmaker wrote: post #49
larsiusprime wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Norway is also tiny and SOVEREIGN. Any similarly inclined USA state must answer to the other 49.

How so? What stops any state in the US from doing similar things? Genuine question. California for example routinely establishes new and stricter (compared to other US states) environmental rules governing emissions and whatnot. Legalizing pot is similarly fairly out of the mainstream and it is being done independently by several states.

If you ban sale of gas cars in say, California, everyone will just hop over to Oregon/Nevada/Arizona to purchase vehicles.

Re: Norway reportedly agrees on banning new sales of gas-powered cars by 2025

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Post by toomuchtodo »

CalRobert wrote: post #82
toomuchtodo wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It will take a long time to replicate the network of petrol stations that covers basically all US roads. Every home is a slow charger. Tesla has Superchargers covering most of the first world. > Also, modern EV cars are still an order of magnitude slower to recharge than gasoline cars are to refill. Vehicles sit idle ~95% of the time. Average US round trip commute is ~45 miles/day. Plenty of charge time. > Fortunat…

"Every home is a slow charger. Tesla has Superchargers covering most of the first world." I agree with your post, BUT remember that we apartment-dwellers are often forgotten. Few landlords are cool with snaking an extension cable to your car. My own apartment has no parking at all (a good thing, in my view, since parking encourages auto reliance), so I've parked on the street since I moved here. Incidentally, I sold…

Make it mandatory property managers support EV charging stations, as California has done.

http://www.propertymanager.com/2015/08/electric-vehicle-char...

For apartments with no parking, I agree there is little solution to that other than not owning a vehicle.

Re: Norway reportedly agrees on banning new sales of gas-powered cars by 2025

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Post by uola »

kochthesecond wrote: post #72
tyfon wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regarding Statoil. The government currently owns about 1/3 of it. The oil income for the state does not come from the profit of the company but the taxes they put on the companies that extract oil (which is about 80%) and the sale of licenses through Petoro. Selling Statoil (and the other ones) have absolutely no comparison to what Thatcher did in the 80s if that is what you are insinuating. Regarding the power, the…

Why sell off the train if it's earning money? Plenty of government run ventures don't.

Because they are jelous they can't make as bad a deal as Stockholm did with Arlanda. Express?

More seriously, to finance populistic reforms to increase the power of their own party.

Re: Norway reportedly agrees on banning new sales of gas-powered cars by 2025

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Post by toomuchtodo »

orik wrote: post #83
rpgmaker wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How so? What stops any state in the US from doing similar things? Genuine question. California for example routinely establishes new and stricter (compared to other US states) environmental rules governing emissions and whatnot. Legalizing pot is similarly fairly out of the mainstream and it is being done independently by several states.

If you ban sale of gas cars in say, California, everyone will just hop over to Oregon/Nevada/Arizona to purchase vehicles.

If you ban gas stations instead in California, where will they fill up? The federal government has limited control over state land use regulation.

Re: Norway reportedly agrees on banning new sales of gas-powered cars by 2025

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Post by mrweasel »

While I think it's great that they've set a date, I think it's perhaps a little premature.

Tesla has some nice options, Renault and other have to, they are all either in the high price range or to small for a family to use as the their only car. The number of alternatives on the marked seems a bit limited, and I don't think nine years is enough to remedy that.

Also what are they going to do in respect to charges, will they mandate that all manufacturers use the same plug?

Re: Norway reportedly agrees on banning new sales of gas-powered cars by 2025

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Post by JupiterMoon »

tyfon wrote: post #67
kwhitefoot wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current government wants to sell off the Flytog (Airport Train). This is a state owned enterprise that even the seriously capitalist Norwegian financial magazine Kapital says is one of the best run companies in the country and should not be privatised. There have been serious suggestions that Statoil should be sold off completely. The electricity system has been privatised even though most of the energy is genera…

Regarding Statoil. The government currently owns about 1/3 of it. The oil income for the state does not come from the profit of the company but the taxes they put on the companies that extract oil (which is about 80%) and the sale of licenses through Petoro. Selling Statoil (and the other ones) have absolutely no comparison to what Thatcher did in the 80s if that is what you are insinuating. Regarding the power, the…

So if companies are well run and profitable in their current state owned but hands off form why not keep them that way?

Re: Norway reportedly agrees on banning new sales of gas-powered cars by 2025

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Post by cm3 »

uola wrote: post #85
kochthesecond wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why sell off the train if it's earning money? Plenty of government run ventures don't.

Because they are jelous they can't make as bad a deal as Stockholm did with Arlanda. Express? More seriously, to finance populistic reforms to increase the power of their own party.

What's the background on Arlanda Express. I've used it and wasn't too impressed but it wasn't late or super slow. Though I wouldn't consider it an express connection from the airport to central station compared to what's possible on rails.

Re: Norway reportedly agrees on banning new sales of gas-powered cars by 2025

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Post by tyfon »

kochthesecond wrote: post #72
tyfon wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regarding Statoil. The government currently owns about 1/3 of it. The oil income for the state does not come from the profit of the company but the taxes they put on the companies that extract oil (which is about 80%) and the sale of licenses through Petoro. Selling Statoil (and the other ones) have absolutely no comparison to what Thatcher did in the 80s if that is what you are insinuating. Regarding the power, the…

Why sell off the train if it's earning money? Plenty of government run ventures don't.

Because the government should run the country and not small companies. If the company is exploiting strategic resources like oil it should be taxed, not owned as far as I am concerned.
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