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Re: Owncloud has been forked into Nextcloud

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Post by Dylan16807 »

IgorPartola wrote: post #61

I like how OwnCloud was characterized on Bad Voltage (paraphrasing here): "It's as if someone a few years ago wrote down their definition of cloud and sent it back in time to 1996. Then a bunch of PHP developers in 1996 implemented it knowing nothing about what they were doing and then sent the code back to present day." That's not to say I don't appreciate the fact that ownCloud exists, but I find it much harder to…

Did they ever fix the design of using a separate TCP connection per transfer, serially? It sure is fun to upload directories full of small files at 2 per second.

Re: Owncloud has been forked into Nextcloud

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Post by INTPenis »

medlazik wrote: post #15

> You should have full control over your data. We help you achieve that: a safe home for all your data. Secure, under your control and developed in an open, transparent and trustworthy way. We are Nextcloud. Why are we not in full control over our data with ownCloud anymore? What really changed that made the founder and top contributors leave ownCloud?

My question exactly, and also I was a little unsettled by how they went out of their way to not mention owncloud in the about page.

Why not just say "we're a fork of owncloud", instead they use forced marketing speak like "Nextcloud is a reboot of the most popular open source file sync and share solution", or "his previous project".

Re: Owncloud has been forked into Nextcloud

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Post by gtirloni »

gdamjan1 wrote: post #19
medlazik wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a statement for ownCloud customers to join Nextcloud. It's filled with direct comparisons with ownCloud without telling its name. It's worded to make ownCloud customers feel like it's not safe to use ownCloud anymore. But maybe that's my paranoid self misinterpreting it.

I beleive that's a statement about the core value of NextCloud, one that you can perhaps get from the OwnCloud product too, but not beeing a core value of OwnCloud Inc.

I think that's implied from the tagline "OwnCloud A safe home for all your data". And the Features page saying "Access, Sync and Share Your Data, Under Your Control!"

https://owncloud.org/features/

Re: Owncloud has been forked into Nextcloud

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Post by toggle »

I used OwnCloud for a while and never had any problems with it, but it seemed like overkill for my use. I didn't have multiple users and I wasn't using it to share files with anyone -- just syncing files between my own devices.

I started using Sandstorm[0] for my personal server, and there's an app for it called Davros[1], which implements the OwnCloud protocol. It doesn't really do a good job of advertising that fact (not even mentioned in its description), but you can use the OwnCloud clients with Davros. It's been satisfying my file-syncing needs with no problems. Just be aware that it lacks versioning.

I'm excited to see what's coming for NextCloud, though.

[0] https://sandstorm.io [1] https://apps.sandstorm.io/app/8aspz4sfjnp8u89000mh2v1xrdyx97...

Re: Owncloud has been forked into Nextcloud

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Post by LionessLover »

stp-ip wrote: post #7

9 of the top 10 contributors in addition to the project founder and the lead security engineer are pushing this effort. Good foundation to fork and support users. Let's hope this brings the transparency, openness and community awareness owncloud/nextcloud always needed.

Given the amount of negative voices I hear each time OwnCloud is mentioned - and that includes German tech websites where this German company is mentioned more frequently - I don't know why the departure of the original developers should necessarily be a bad thing. The amount of negativity of previous OC users was unusual, too much to put it down with a "you can't satisfy everybody". I'm not even talking about the "OMG they use PHP" comments.

I must say does seem to be at least partially the fault of developers, since they likely had much more responsibility than upper-level managers since it was a startup founded by techies for the longest time.

So if the company manages to leave some of that baggage behind this may be quite alright.

Having worked for another German software-heavy company I must admit I understood all those complaints, because our own products were similar: Pretty good in principle, but way, WAY too little attention to details that matters to customers. With each release the number of really stupid annoying little bugs never seemed to decrease (talking about "my" ex company, I only know OC from forum comments - but OC users' complaints sound like the ones we deservedly got to hear a lot).

Re: Owncloud has been forked into Nextcloud

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Post by thomnottom »

alexggordon wrote: post #73
alexggordon wrote: post #29

Let me tell you an anecdote about Owncloud. Once upon a time, I hosted an Owncloud instance for my family. I had a raid 5 system setup on an old Xserve with around 10 TB of usable space. I was really into learning about encryption at the time, so I figured it would be cool to encrypt all my families files on the server. I made sure that all my family members were properly educated about not forgetting their password,…

Replying to my own comment, because I'm out of the edit time-range and this kind of blew up. If I had to point the discussion of this comment, I'd point it away from what I did wrong personally (I know I f*cked up in probably more than one way). What I learned from this is that there are no situations in which I would personally host a file server of this feature level and control over my documents. I think "all in o…

> I guess the question I raise is, given my experience "can you prove to me that I can absolutely trust you with all my data"?

But the answer to that is "no". All of the time. No matter who you are asking it about. There is always the possibility of someone - no matter how much you trust them or pay them - screwing up your data. Including yourself.

Re: Owncloud has been forked into Nextcloud

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Post by thomnottom »

educar wrote: post #80

I feel sad for ownCloud and Nextcloud. ownCloud has a brand and this fork dilutes it. It will be on everyone's mind especially since the founder has left to create a competitor. For Nextcloud, unless they can explicitly state why this fork exists, it's hard to side with them. What kind of ideological differences are we talking about? Sure, you don't need to throw around personal accusations or finger point but it wou…

It seems to me that these things happen somewhat regularly in the open source community, because it was built upon that concept.

Re: Owncloud has been forked into Nextcloud

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Post by adrianlmm »

mattmanser wrote: post #8
unlinker wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/2016/06/nextcloud-is-replacing... >'why' is the question everybody has and I hope you understand I don't want to talk too much about that Grow up, maybe, Jos? This sounds to me like the usual and continuous splits inside OSS communities, but Jesus, I do miss the days when you had a detailed explanation as soon as somebody leaked the IRC logs!

He's addressed it and said he doesn't want to talk about it. I don't think it's Jos who needs to grow up. If you want to watch trainwrecks go read the celeb gossip mags.

If it is an open source Project developed in the open, I believe we deserve to know why.

Re: Owncloud has been forked into Nextcloud

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Post by tomc1985 »

antx wrote: post #32
alexggordon wrote: post #29

Let me tell you an anecdote about Owncloud. Once upon a time, I hosted an Owncloud instance for my family. I had a raid 5 system setup on an old Xserve with around 10 TB of usable space. I was really into learning about encryption at the time, so I figured it would be cool to encrypt all my families files on the server. I made sure that all my family members were properly educated about not forgetting their password,…

Well, sorry about your loss. Then again, please understand that NO, you didn't have a backup. What you had was a single copy (probably a simple rsync, am I right?)... that is worth nothing in case of corruption or voluntary mischief. Learn from your mistakes. Either use a solution that has a retention policy, or don't do backups at all.

So, what, everyone is cool with owncloud pushing encryption-breaking updates? What the fuck is that about?

The way apologists step up to the defense of stuff like this is appalling. The 'hard' stuff like this is supposed to be dealt with before the public release. Just because one has a backup doesn't mean that other programmers should force them to rely on it (whether they intended to or not... the point is that this kind of thing should never happen)

I am beginning to feel like we should start figuratively burning people at the stake for advertently or inadvertently destroying other peoples' data -- it is a sin about as cardinal as they get; and it seems many programmers are clearly not very scared of such an outcome. Wiping/bricking/rendering inaccessible your customers' data should be causing people to shit bricks, not go on the defensive.

Normals HATE technology bullshit like this. They just want it to work. Failures like these make the entire field look bad.

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