The US government should give Guccifer the Medal of Honour. This is a farce.
Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?
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Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's quite possible the law discussed in that article was broken. The author lists the three cases of relevance: (1) whether Clinton knew she was putting classified information into an unclassified system, (2) did she willfully communicate classified information to anyone not authorized to receive it, and (3) did she remove classified information with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorize…
And the article lists various reasons why none of those would likely apply to her. The IG's report only shows incompetence on her part, not criminal intent.
>And the article lists various reasons why none of those would likely apply to her.
I guess we have different definitions of "likely" since the only reasons given are:
(1) Clinton and her aides have insisted that she didn't. They say none of her emails included material that was marked as classified at the time.
(2) She says she didn't, and there's no known evidence that she did.
(3) "If all she was doing was exchanging emails with her staff, I don't think they can prove that she had the intent to retain anything," a former top government lawyer told me.
Like I said, those are hardly unbiased or definitive assessments. Clinton and her aides have every reason to say that there was no wrongdoing. The government lawyer quoted even says "If" acknowledging that it is an assumption. As for the IG report, if it had said the violation was minor and mostly because of regulations implemented only after she left office, which had been claimed before, then it would be looking really good for her. As it stands, there is still an FBI investigation looming.
Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?
#83Among the more disappointing things in all of this is that there is a rational, important conversation to be had about everyday awareness of security and government inflexibility. But there won't be, because she is Hillary Clinton and it is 2016. Supposedly she got the server set up because the NSA refused to give a politician who travels frequently a secure smartphone. She (I personally believe) was likely ignorant…
I agree with this, but the failure is one of the government to "train" its appointed/elected members adequately. It should never be acceptable for STATE to conduct official business over private email, that just just be the rule. And while previous secretaries have also "worked around it" it is something the FBI should intervene on and enforce. The pressure of it being hard to do can lead to better funding/resources on making it easier to use, but the going in position should be "You shall not ... and if you do we're coming after you."
Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?
#84One of the commenters on the Krebs post makes a remarkable point [1]: "It gets better. Do a dig mx clintonemail.com. You’ll see that the machine’s incoming email was filtered by mxlogic.net, a spam filtering service that works by received all your emails, filtering out the spam, and forwarding you the rest. This is because the hosting provider, Platte River Network, sold a package along with the hosting. The package…
oh my god, this is depressing sad.
She could have hired a team of machine learning grad students to build her a personalized spam filter.
but she went with the cheapest option.
this is going to keep me upset for a while.
Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?
#85This story just keeps getting better. There is either a grand nefarious plot, or worse, horrific incompetence. I just can't find a third possibility.
It's a vast right wing conspiracy. All the scandals...over her 30 year public career. Nothing to see here. /sarc
Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
It almost sounds like a farce: Clinton gets indicted or loses face due to incompetence relating to the e-mail server scandal, and in her place is elected The Donald, a man who has committed worse transgressions and has the potential to do even worse things when given power. Frankly, she doesn't sound any more incompetent than even a typical old company c. 2010: think Target, Sony, etc. It would be sad, given that her…
While I care for neither she is the bigger danger because the anti-war left will be silent with her as will many other good activist groups like they are currently silent. A complicit and complacent press and Congress is the reason we have drones killing American's abroad, Manning in jail, Snowden in Russia, Libya in disarray, and a general mess in the Middle East to say the least about increased racial issues in the…
Are you sure Trump wouldn't catch a break from anyone ? Have you seen how most republicans are now supporting him ? Do you think they won't support him if he wins ? why ?
Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?
#87This story just keeps getting better. There is either a grand nefarious plot, or worse, horrific incompetence. I just can't find a third possibility.
No nefarious plot. My understanding is that it went roughly like this. Back in 2009 Clinton requested a secure smartphone from the NSA. It's a custom made device (security by obscurity?). Anyway, the president gets one. As the secretary of state she has to travel a lot, and not being able to do email on the road is highly impractical. So she thought she should get one too. The NSA denied her request for a secure smar…
You're acting like the NSA told her she couldn't have any smartphone, which isn't the story. The story is that the NSA said she couldn't have that smartphone.
Second, it seems to be your argument that she didn't get the IT support she wanted and so it's reasonable she did her own thing. This seems perfectly reasonable if you're trying desperately to give her the benefit of the doubt. Heck, we've all dealt with annoying IT departments!
Except, it's not like that. She was our top diplomat and 4th in line of succession to the presidency. It's a fact that classified information was discussed on the system.
I just can't believe that the best defense is "well, she didn't like the UI of Windows CE and she wanted a Blackberry, and it's not her fault the NSA wouldn't give her one -- so, she did what any of us would do -- she co-opted her husband's private server and paid a State Department employee under the table to manage it outside of the government infrastructure. She also made sure to order her subordinates to keep the email address out of the official State Dept. email registry because she didn't want to risk being forced to disclose anything. And, it's perfectly OK that when her email correspondence was subpoenaed during a FOIA lawsuit brought by Judicial Watch, the State Dept. didn't know to look on this server, and as such they didn't turn over all of the relevant materials until years later, when the private email address was made public and she felt it was OK to release hard copies of 30k emails (promising that among the 32k she deleted were only personal emails about yoga, Chelsea's wedding, etc.).
But, isn't that what we all do when the IT department is unreasonable?"
Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?
#88This story just keeps getting better. There is either a grand nefarious plot, or worse, horrific incompetence. I just can't find a third possibility.
It almost sounds like a farce: Clinton gets indicted or loses face due to incompetence relating to the e-mail server scandal, and in her place is elected The Donald, a man who has committed worse transgressions and has the potential to do even worse things when given power. Frankly, she doesn't sound any more incompetent than even a typical old company c. 2010: think Target, Sony, etc. It would be sad, given that her…
You really believe this garbage?
Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
That server was for only unclassified data though. Some stuff was later called "Classified", but many innocuous things are classified.
Part of the whole security clearance process is instruction on detecting misclassification, so the :%s/SECRET/SUCRETS/g defense doesn't work. At least 22 emails where later classified as top secret, there is no way to mistake top secret material for uncontrolled information. There were at least 22 chances to take a step back and wonder about the wisdom of the thing.
Lets not forget the handful (I don't recall the exact number) of emails that Colin Powell sent from his personal account and had clearance adjustments later on. Or the number of Rice's staff who received emails to their personal accounts that were deemed classified after the fact.
Lots of chances for many individuals in the IC to step back and develop better procedures. Lets not put ALL the blame on Hillary.
Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?
#90Among the more disappointing things in all of this is that there is a rational, important conversation to be had about everyday awareness of security and government inflexibility. But there won't be, because she is Hillary Clinton and it is 2016. Supposedly she got the server set up because the NSA refused to give a politician who travels frequently a secure smartphone. She (I personally believe) was likely ignorant…
What's the rationale for not giving everyone secure smartphones? And I mean high-ranking officials, SoS certainly ranks considering how much she/he is in foreign countries with foreign leaders. Can someone in the know explain why the NSA would deny such requests?
Probably because they know how to pwn all of them, and are certain they are insecure or an absolute nightmare to secure.