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Re: Google Home

#81

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I would love for it to connect my sonos and my spotify together, rather than having to run a node.js server for the purpose

Doesn't sonos already have integration with spotify? Or is that only available if you're paying for spotify?

Correct: it does have a spotify integration, but it is only available for paying spotify customers.

Re: Google Home

#82

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> The NSA will likely record every sound from your house, if you own this. It would be very easy to detect something fishy was going on. Even if the device was locked down and the connection was encrypted, they couldn't hide it if the device was uploading large volumes of data with no explanation.

You don't need to upload large volumes of data for voice recognition (see Siri), and if you're only looking for specific keywords/sentences you can trickle the data over time.

Yes, but that's not what the person I was responding to said. They said the NSA would record every sound in the house, which would require a detectable amount of bandwidth even at low bitrates.

The hotword detection (OK Google/Hey Siri/Alexa) currently happens on the device - it would be terribly inefficient to do that in the cloud. If a security researcher notices their Google Home is transmitting significant amounts of data without them using the "OK Google" prompt, that would raise eyebrows.

Re: Google Home

#83

What's the business model for Google Home? Will it suddenly splurt out an advertising message in the middle of the night, or will it rather include subtle product placements in otherwise harmless answers? Remember, it's made by a company that thinks it's appropriate to put text ads on the first spots of your search results, in increasingly confusing ways.

They get more data, same with free (80% or whatever is unmonetized) youtube uploads.

Re: Google Home

#84
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I don't really 'trust' either company, but the fact that I'm in so deep with Google already makes me less hesitant to add this one thing. Google already knows me. I've basically slept with Google, so seeing me naked is just not a big deal. If Google uses that against me or gets compromised by a third party I'm screwed anyway and the transcripts from my living room will be the least of my worries.

Interesting take. I should rephrase this to say--I am less interested in allowing google to profit even more from me.

I don't really understand this motivation. Google profiting from your actions doesn't necessarily mean that you're losing something. It's not a zero sum game between you and Google, there are other actors in the system. A similar analogy would be how social systems are valued by their number of users. Their value is not coming from your pocket, you add value to them by being a user and they add value to you by providing you with some service that you enjoy (thus the reason you are a user of theirs). Granted, I understand if your reasoning is not wanting to "pay" more personal info to Google, I just wanted to point out that their profit has no net positive or negative impact on you in it's own right.

Re: Google Home

#86

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> The NSA will likely record every sound from your house, if you own this. It would be very easy to detect something fishy was going on. Even if the device was locked down and the connection was encrypted, they couldn't hide it if the device was uploading large volumes of data with no explanation.

There is a very simple out, here. Google could simply claim that they do all audio processing in the cloud. They wouldn't need to hide it.

Siri, Google Now, and the Amazon Echo do audio processing in the cloud, but only after they've been triggered by "OK Google" "Hey Siri", or "Alexa". (Or by hitting a button.) It'd be pretty odd, and terribly inefficient, if the Google Home did hotword detection in the cloud.

Re: Google Home

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I personally think this is ignorant. Its already been proven several times that if the government wants access to a companies data they will get it. The shutdown of Lavabit has proven this. Marissa Mayer said explicitly thats its treason to not go along with the NSA. http://www.businessinsider.com/lavabit-founder-letter-2014-5 http://www.businessinsider.com/marissa-mayer-its-treason-to-...

There is a large difference between being a PRISM partner( broad hoovering of all data )and a party to a narrowly-scoped warrant or subpoena, as Amazon would be. Meyer would do well to cite the specific statute that makes noncompliance into a charge of treason. Otherwise she's clearly lying to spin the actions of Yahoo for PR points.

Well we can go through a back and forth on this but we'll never really know the true extent of PRISM as whats been speculated is they have a direct connection to ISP's so the reality is that they probably know more than what even an individual company knows. Both Google and Apple have said the same, any access requires court order.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)

Google: "Google cares deeply about the security of our users' data. We disclose user data to government in accordance with the law, and we review all such requests carefully. From time to time, people allege that we have created a government 'back door' into our systems, but Google does not have a backdoor for the government to access private user data."[112] "[A]ny suggestion that Google is disclosing information about our users' internet activity on such a scale is completely false."[113]

Apple: "We have never heard of PRISM. We do not provide any government agency with direct access to our servers, and any government agency requesting customer data must get a court order."[115]

Re: Google Home

#89
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When I was younger, I dreamed of something like this. Voice control for my home! A Star Trek computer that I can interact with conversationally! I just say what I want and it happens! Now, I just see an internet-connected microphone in a software black box which I can only interpret as a giant frickin' security liability. I want this, but unless it's open source top-to-bottom, I won't ever actually put one in my home…

If I was a shady business, a nefarious government, or a malicious hacker and I wanted to eavesdrop on you, I would probably attack the vector that spends much more time by your side and can easily hide its data connections from you, e.g. your mobile phone. As long as these home automation devices ride on your own personal network, it is easy to monitor to what extent they are sending data back home.

Re: Google Home

#90

Competition against Amazon Echo is always positive for consumers.

Yes, except I trust Google FAR less than I trust Amazon--simply because Google has permeated in many more facets of my digital life (gdocs, gmail, chrome, maps, search, etc). Amazon just has my shopping history.

I've worked at both companies, so i have a good sense of the soul of both. And I trust Google way more than Amazon.

I mean bezos vs sundar. Enough said.

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