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“Facebook has destroyed the open web”

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Agreed. Facebook is pretty irrelevant with the High School crowd. Every has smart phones with apps that offer far less friction for communicating.

High school students will start using Facebook once they realize they can't keep "connected" with their high school friends that are studying in a bunch of different universities.

High School students already use social media to connect with their peers, they just aren't using Facebook to do it. Source: I teach.

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If you don't have the younger markets, you don't have a future. Once their parents are on a service, the younger market isn't if they don't need to be. Facebook is delaying it by playing big in International markets and in developing countries but the social aspects can't be outrun and won't change, as I said, it's a BIG fad but it's a fad and it will die a fad's death in due time. Why do think Zuck is pushing the Fa…

I hate FB and stopped using it a few months ago. But the people behind the company are pretty clever. They might have seen the writing on the wall and are trying to move pretty quickly to act against it. You've already alluded to one, but FB has also bought Oculus, Instagram and WhatsApp. All for ridiculous amounts of money, but with a crazy amount of potential. As a company FB isn't going anywhere, any time soon and…

True that, I'm sure the company will be around for a good long time, but the social network I think has another 10 years in it, tops. Then everyone will move onto the new shiny thing.

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I'd advocate a bit towards the opposite: why does it matter? The future of technology is probably going to wind up being entirely based on walled ecosystems anyway. If you own a MacBook, it's already very enticing to tie that in with an iPhone, etc. It's all about tight integration. I'd also say there is not a single existing system that exists yet which provides the kind of tight integration I'm dreaming of. I'm tal…

Naive. Word will not spread that one should not use Google/Facebook, they've turned milking their users for information into an art form. And the plentiful misguided sympathizers making up excuses for them are muddying up the waters even more. I see you're at the point where "walled gardens are good". That freedom does have a certain flavor of slavery, doesn't it?

Just because existing walled gardens are not ideal does not mean they could not be made to be wonderful. The largest complaint against them is that you lose some freedom of choice. A really nice ecosystem wouldn't leave you missing out on anything. It can be done, it's just that no company has yet done it the right way.

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There is no such thing as a public institution under private management. Facebook is a corporate entity with control over a large part of the internet and no accountability towards their user base. When a private institution has so much power there need to be rules put in place that make sure they won't abuse that power to the detriment of everyone else. Democracy is about people, not the rights of corporations. Your…

If you'd read more than "a little bit" of history, you'd be able to see these things in proper perspective. Multinational corporations are inherently more democratic, more public, than governments. A government derives its capacity to operate from violence, you are forced to pay taxes. A corporation has to be accountable to a marketplace, and must operate within the law of countries it operates in. Markets are ultima…

> Multinational corporations are inherently more democratic, more public, than governments.

You have drunk so much of the capitalist Kool-aid that your brain is no longer receiving oxygen.

> A corporation has to be accountable to a marketplace

This is not democracy, it's plutocracy.

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Naive. Word will not spread that one should not use Google/Facebook, they've turned milking their users for information into an art form. And the plentiful misguided sympathizers making up excuses for them are muddying up the waters even more. I see you're at the point where "walled gardens are good". That freedom does have a certain flavor of slavery, doesn't it?

Just because existing walled gardens are not ideal does not mean they could not be made to be wonderful. The largest complaint against them is that you lose some freedom of choice. A really nice ecosystem wouldn't leave you missing out on anything. It can be done, it's just that no company has yet done it the right way.

> It can be done, it's just that no company has yet done it the right way.

Actually, look at game consoles. They have always been the original "walled gardens", but, they still allowed users to install third-party software through physical media.

And people have been happy with that arrangement.

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High school students will start using Facebook once they realize they can't keep "connected" with their high school friends that are studying in a bunch of different universities.

Don't they seem to have moved past serving that core audience?

The problem is, as those kids grow up and into the demo that is there core audience, I doubt very much they will move to facebook, and more than 40-somethings suddenly start using myspace.

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>easier for the lazy to connect with and stay within their own interest groups Facebook reminds me of AOL. People who had AOL had no idea of anything outside of AOL. I had to show many how to get out of AOL and they were astonished there was so much more. If Facebook was an ISP it truly would be the new AOL.

Weren't they actually providing bandwidth to some small area, with the provision that only Facebook was unmetered? Seems pretty close...

They tried that in India, India told them to buzz off.

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I must use 100+ links a day with 99% success rate.

If you use the web on the terms of content publishers, being flooded with ads, tracked everywhere, getting hit by malware every now and then, you will have a good success rate at "opening links". Congratulations for that phyrric victory. If one however desires even a little bit of control of their browsing experience, the hyperlink and the modern web are broken. It seems to be impossible to click a link and display a…

I've been using Little Snitch (OSX) for a while now, and more recently set up a 'restricted' profile because I'm on a bad internet connection. It's shocking to notice how bloated almost all url endpoints are! It's a rare site that only produces one 'access' popup, and a large number of sites, in particular Big Media, make requests all over the place, most of them involving tracking, ads, or advertorials.

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Facebook hasn't destroyed the web - it's still there and functioning fine. Hyperlinks still work. What FB has done is made it easier for the lazy to connect with and stay within their own interest groups. FB has made it easy for people to ignore negative information with tons of cat pictures (I am as guilty as anyone for that) and cheerful little meaningless quotes. It's made it easier to post misinformation and spre…

> the lazy

the same lazies who refuse to install linux i presume. The lazies who refuse to become experts and share your ideas of the world. This culture, too lazy to create a decent user experience- deserves to suffer.

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"Against this global community" "Going against progress" Sorry Zuck, but shut the fuck up. All you want is more money and power. A great example is the free "internet" initiative he's pushing; all to lock people in Facebook. This guy truly is, the world's biggest hypocrite.

Please don't. If you have a substantive critique to make, you're more than welcome to, but "shut the fuck up, "all you want is money and power", and "world's biggest hypocrite" is the opposite of that, and predictably degraded the thread.

Excuse my misbehavior, I became angry.
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