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There is little excuse[1] for such a website to not employ TSL encryption of all traffic. I can't even imagine the size of the TLA database containing : records at this point. 1. https://letsencrypt.org/
I agree that TLS would be nice, but it doesn't hide the fact that you've visited www.ttip-leaks.org
Not that it's still not all documents, and already out of date: > The documents that Greenpeace Netherlands has released about half of the draft text as of April 2016, prior to the start of the 13th round of TTIP negotiations between the EU and the US (New York, 25-29 April 2016). As far as we know the final document will consist of 25 to 30 chapters and many extensive annexes. The EU Commission published an overview…
> So politics will probably pull the "your complaints are all addressed in the still secret parts / were changed after the leak, we pinky-swear" card. Maybe, but I deeply hope that the public reaction to that will be either: "Yeeeaaah, sure ..." Or, the more diplomatic variant: "How do you plan to reestablish the trust needed to make your promise credible?"
the first thing spiegel.de did, while the ppl were marching, was releasing a polemic article basically saying "it's all nazis".
days later gabriel went public: "we don't care. we'll do it anyway."
now, nobody try telling me shit about public opinion's worthiness!
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>this is what we get when countries still want to dominate each other. The most peaceful, prosperous, and healthy period known in human history?
You're repeating propaganda. May be there's less violence, but the amount of suffering has skyrocketed over the years. A more than significant amount of people are dependent on tranquilizers and anti-depressants to make their life bearable, because for them it has become mundane and meaningless without. Statistiscs may tell a story of less violence, and people getting older and having more material possessions, but t…
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I don't think it's because of some conspiracy that EU leaders like Merkel favor TTIP. They probably think it's the right way to go, because TTIP will make EU's economy grow. (See for example http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/html/151787.htm ) And it is obvious that major internationals on both sides will be the ones that benefit most from the cuts in government regulations proposed by TTIP. So a substantial portion of…
Thanks, just to be clear: I'm not an advocate for TTIP.
My understanding of TTIP and TPP are that they're the US's last ditch attempt to standardise international trade along US lines before China overtakes and starts to set the tone.
On that basis they kinda make sense from a US perspective. From an EU perspective not so much.
(edit: not saying the US has a chance of staying ahead of China if TTIP/TPP are successful, just that standardised trade rules may soften China's negotiation position)
So business groups and lobbyists for companies like IBM, Apple, Google et al. are deeply involved in the US side of negotiations (far more than any public interest groups). Then on the EU side, business groups and lobbyists for companies like IBM, Apple, Google et al. are deeply involved in negotiations to the detriment of all public groups. So this is really lots of big US companies negotiating with themselves on ho…
So business groups and lobbyists for companies like IBM, Apple, Google et al. are deeply involved in the US side of negotiations (far more than any public interest groups). Then on the EU side, business groups and lobbyists for companies like IBM, Apple, Google et al. are deeply involved in negotiations to the detriment of all public groups. So this is really lots of big US companies negotiating with themselves on ho…
> This is a takeover attempt through the backdoor. In case it wasn't already immensely obvious, the third world war has been underway for some time. This one isn't a war fought with guns and bombs, it's a war fought with information, deals and economies. See China's massive economy and ownership of the US, the massive drop in oil price and what that's done to the world economy etc. The citizens of the world wouldn't…
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You're repeating propaganda. May be there's less violence, but the amount of suffering has skyrocketed over the years. A more than significant amount of people are dependent on tranquilizers and anti-depressants to make their life bearable, because for them it has become mundane and meaningless without. Statistiscs may tell a story of less violence, and people getting older and having more material possessions, but t…
What you're saying is "statistics might tell one story, but let me tell you, without citing sources or evidence, those statistics are wrong".
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>this is what we get when countries still want to dominate each other. The most peaceful, prosperous, and healthy period known in human history?
You're repeating propaganda. May be there's less violence, but the amount of suffering has skyrocketed over the years. A more than significant amount of people are dependent on tranquilizers and anti-depressants to make their life bearable, because for them it has become mundane and meaningless without. Statistiscs may tell a story of less violence, and people getting older and having more material possessions, but t…
Citation? I haven't heard of anyone who is dependent on tranquilizers or anti-depressants (well, apart from the Internet from people with clinical depression), so it can't be that common.
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> This is a takeover attempt through the backdoor. In case it wasn't already immensely obvious, the third world war has been underway for some time. This one isn't a war fought with guns and bombs, it's a war fought with information, deals and economies. See China's massive economy and ownership of the US, the massive drop in oil price and what that's done to the world economy etc. The citizens of the world wouldn't…
>this is what we get when countries still want to dominate each other. The most peaceful, prosperous, and healthy period known in human history?
Cecilia Malmström, European Commissioner for Trade, on the documents: > First of all, and contrary to what many seem to believe, so-called "consolidated texts" in a trade negotiation are not the same thing as an outcome. They reflect each side's negotiating position, nothing else. [...] In that sense, many of today's alarmist headlines are a storm in a teacup. [...] No EU trade agreement will ever lower our level of…
This is probably the most important takeaway In most cases TTIP raised the level of consumer protection to the highest on whatever side of the pond was already best (for example Americans see European chicken as raised in shot basically do our chicken farmers will have to up the game (assuming battery hens is something we think is a high standard anyway) As for beef, Germans think the US do beef like we do chickens.…
although this is important, I can't see how you reach the conclusion that
> But consumers win
from that. you see, the EU negotiator also said :
> "In #TTIP, we will not agree on anything that will imply lowering of protection. Full stop."
also, we can conclude from the leaked documents (both these and older ones) that the US proposals in some fields differ wildly from the current EU regulations, and I can't see the US giving in to EU demands on all of these (like GMO's, chlorine chicken and less stringent environmental rules).
so, with these powers combined we can conclude that further negotiation is useless, and TTIP is dead. so why are we still negotiating ?
fear is that a compromise will be reached somehow, and the EU citizens draw the short straw (I say that as a concerned EU citizen)