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FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone

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Re: FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone

#81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the only argument the FBI hears is how much? Disgusting.

An argument you could make is that by associating a cost with wiretapping it discourages frivolous usage.

Since when did the FBI care about spending money that they get from taxpayers?

Re: FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone

#82
post #72
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a lot of double-speak. They know that removing the timeout so they can try thousands of passwords per second opens up a huge security hole. What he's saying is "we want it both ways". We don't want to take away security for users, we just want to make it easier for someone who's not the owner of the phone to get into it.

The government owned the iPhone in question.

"The government" is not one organization.

Re: FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone

#83
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> by all accounts, received nothing of value for the money How can you know that?

come on do all internet comments have to be perfect? how about "by all public accounts to date". I'd have though that extra context wasn't necessary.

Next time, just link:

https://pchiusano.github.io/2014-10-11/defensive-writing.htm...

Re: FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone

#84
post #12

Same article on the FT: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/af23e3ea-07f1-11e6-b6d3-746f8e9cdd... James Comey, director of the FBI, said on Thursday that the cost was “worth it”, but added that an accommodation needed to be made with Apple and other technology companies in the future, as paying outside technologists to find ways to access highly-encrypted messages on phones used by terrorist suspects was not “scalable.”

Along what dimension is this "not scalable"? If you have 100 iPhoneCs and the exploit works on all of them, it sounds like it's very scalable to me. It doesn't scale across every iphone ever made (or that will be made), but honestly, with a few tweaks (maybe a forced OS downgrade, whatever), it could be made to be.

Also, if you don't release the attack vector, things get even murkier.

Plus, the government happens to be the entity that prints our money, as well as an entity that is essentially limitless in funds because it extracts it's budget from US.

Competition from firms may keep the price of breaking the iphone down, well within what the government can pay without anyone noticing (once this dies down). Nevermind companies that would LOVE to sell the NSA a single iphone exploit for anywhere close to $1M.

Re: FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone

#85
post #72
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a lot of double-speak. They know that removing the timeout so they can try thousands of passwords per second opens up a huge security hole. What he's saying is "we want it both ways". We don't want to take away security for users, we just want to make it easier for someone who's not the owner of the phone to get into it.

The government owned the iPhone in question.

But it didn't own the software, which is still patented and copyrighted by Apple, and merely licensed to end users.

Re: FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone

#86
post #12

Same article on the FT: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/af23e3ea-07f1-11e6-b6d3-746f8e9cdd... James Comey, director of the FBI, said on Thursday that the cost was “worth it”, but added that an accommodation needed to be made with Apple and other technology companies in the future, as paying outside technologists to find ways to access highly-encrypted messages on phones used by terrorist suspects was not “scalable.”

Can I live in a country that doesn't think a million dollars to break encryption on one phone is worth it? I value my tax dollar way more than they seem to, and way more than 50 thousand dollar air conditioners for jet fighters.

Re: FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone

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post #72
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a lot of double-speak. They know that removing the timeout so they can try thousands of passwords per second opens up a huge security hole. What he's saying is "we want it both ways". We don't want to take away security for users, we just want to make it easier for someone who's not the owner of the phone to get into it.

The government owned the iPhone in question.

In what sense of ownership?
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