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A Visionary Project Aims for Alpha Centauri, a Star 4.37 Light-Years Away

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Re: A Visionary Project Aims for Alpha Centauri, a Star 4.37 Light-Years Away

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Or just in orbit. Way easier, no need to overcome moon's gravity.

How could you store enough power in orbit to fire it?

Well, you could use your handy 200 GW solar array. With perfect conversion, and ~1300 W/m^2, you'd need to get your 12km x 12km panel array pointed consistently at the Sun.

Re: A Visionary Project Aims for Alpha Centauri, a Star 4.37 Light-Years Away

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Oddly the most practical use for this is as an interstellar weapon. You don't need to solve the problem of communicating back to Earth, you just need a little terminal guidance. If an iPhone weighs 100 g and we use a non-relativistic formula for energy at 1/4c, that is 2.8 x 10^14 joules, a ton of TNT equivalent is about 4.1 x 10^9 joules, so that is a cool 70kT -- The impact velocity would be high enough to break th…

> Oddly the most practical use for this is as an interstellar weapon.

I completely don't advocate this, but the 9-year-old-boy part of my brain thinks it'd be pretty awesome to announce our presence to the universe by attacking a star system.

Re: A Visionary Project Aims for Alpha Centauri, a Star 4.37 Light-Years Away

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Why don't we focus and reflect the sun's rays instead? Or even combine this and the traditional rocket method by putting the emitters in space to catch the sun and push these tiny craft after they've been shot from the Earth by the zillions in a single satellite. That way we deal with two big problems at once: generating laser energy sufficient for escape velocity, and focusing lasers through an atmosphere layer. Better yet, we can use SpaceX's reusable rockets and save even more on launch costs.

Re: A Visionary Project Aims for Alpha Centauri, a Star 4.37 Light-Years Away

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Does that mean that the US will be the winning civilization?

"civilization"? You mean like when Ghandi was (allegedly) asked what he thought of Western Civilization, and replied, "I think it would be a good idea!"

You have mistaken our love of peace for weakness. You shall regret this!

Re: A Visionary Project Aims for Alpha Centauri, a Star 4.37 Light-Years Away

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How is such thing able to communicate back with earth? Doesn't it require a lot of energy to create signal that we will be able to receive on earth (or satelite)?

Not a scientist but I first read this on The Economist and they summed it up pretty well:

"At its destination it would beam back pictures of the star’s planets with its on-board laser. No current observatory could possibly pick up such a signal—but the kilometre-wide launch array should be able to. The optical systems used to meld the output of the lasers could be used in reverse as a vast and sensitive telescope."

http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/2169687...

Re: A Visionary Project Aims for Alpha Centauri, a Star 4.37 Light-Years Away

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How is such thing able to communicate back with earth? Doesn't it require a lot of energy to create signal that we will be able to receive on earth (or satelite)?

Same way it got there? Laser focused on earth? Needs good aiming though.

Re: A Visionary Project Aims for Alpha Centauri, a Star 4.37 Light-Years Away

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Does that mean that the US will be the winning civilization?

"civilization"? You mean like when Ghandi was (allegedly) asked what he thought of Western Civilization, and replied, "I think it would be a good idea!"

I think they meant the video game. Space race victory

Re: A Visionary Project Aims for Alpha Centauri, a Star 4.37 Light-Years Away

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I love these napkin calculations. The relativistic effect shifts the frequency by 22.47% for 0.2c. Given a 445nm laser (the powerful blue ones), that's 545nm when redshifted (green). It's a bit of a jump, but that wavelength is still smack in the "solar atmospheric absorbtion spectrum window" -- you won't lose much of the energy in the atmosphere. Reading this page diagonally [ http://www.edmundoptics.com/resources/a…

Umm... 0.5% of 100GW is 500MW, or about the power of a nuclear reactor. The spaceship won't survive a millisecond. We need way better than 99.5%.

Well, that sure is a good point.

Upon further reading, looks like you can achieve >99.9998% reflectance for a 10% wavelength band (in this case, in the infrared). [http://www.crystallinemirrors.com/wp-content/uploads/2013072...]

Still, you're right in saying that it's probably still quite a ways off.

Re: A Visionary Project Aims for Alpha Centauri, a Star 4.37 Light-Years Away

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So the whole thing should weigh in the order of several grams, yet it should be able to deflect 100GW of incoming radiation near perfectly (otherwise it will instantly vaporize) while maintaining structural integrity under the acceleration of 60,000g for two minutes? And whatever laser sources we're using must track this smartphone-sized object during these two minutes across several million kilometers. Perfectly. (I…

10 light-seconds is a massive underestimate. If we assume a constant acceleration from zero to 0.2c over two years, the average speed is 0.1c. Therefore by the end of two years it will be 0.1 lightyears away. Deviations will have to be anticipated over a month in advance!
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