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The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by dpark »

donutdan4114 wrote: post #11

As someone who has shifted to a sugar-free, high-fat lifestyle (keto diet), I can attest to the fact that sugar really is the ultimate evil in terms of health and nutrition. I've lost about 100lbs in 2.5 years... The only thing that I really changed was doing a Keto diet. I've learned a lot about nutrition along the way, and it's amazing how bad nutrition info was when I was growing up.. Common Misconceptions I hear/…

> Most people would have to run 10 miles per day to burn off the garbage they would eat in the morning (think of a young adult having an innocent bowl of cereal and OJ for breakfast)

How big is your bowl of cereal? 10 miles of running would be >1000 Calories burned. I don't think I've ever consumed 1000 Calories of cereal and juice in a sitting. I'm also pretty sure most people are not eating 1000 Calories for a typical breakfast.

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by djsumdog »

mtgx wrote: post #7

So when can we have stevia into all of our food?

I really like stevia. It's got a very specific taste so it doesn't work with everything. You have to work your recipes to deal with the extra mint. Chocolate works really well with stevia. A lot of people cut things with stevia + sugar alcohols.

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by Laaw »

donutdan4114 wrote: post #69
Laaw wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What blows my mind is that someone like you can see a sample size of one (you), pull like 15 different levers, and then proceed to "know" which of the levers actually worked, and which levers would work for everyone else . The sophilistic nature of your comment is astounding.

I wasn't really implying that everyone should start a ketogenic diet. Just stating the success that I've had with it, and also noting several common misconceptions that are still largely heard today.

I didn't say you were implying anything, what I said was I find it astounding how little actual data you seem to have collected, compared to the sweeping conclusions you're drawing.

I take issue with your condescending tone, because it doesn't fit whatsoever with your clear ignorance on the topic. I'm particularly sensitive to the topic of food, because people in your situation (who have found success but have no idea why) are immensely harmful to nutrition education.

Comments like yours are precisely why there are so many misconceptions out there.

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by talles »

BowBun wrote: post #6

This story always remind me of this interesting study done on rats, where they found sugar more tantalizing than cocaine or heroine.[0] Take it with a grain of salt (or sugar, if you prefer), since sugar has some nutritional value, but this is a little terrifying. Look at the obese, particularly in the USA, and look at these massive buckets of soda they drink, breads stuffed with 20+grams of sugar, sweets which are l…

> “is much more rewarding and probably more addictive than intravenous cocaine.”

Sugar is bad alright but more addictive than IV cocaine?

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by bonesinger »

dpark wrote: post #81
donutdan4114 wrote: post #11

As someone who has shifted to a sugar-free, high-fat lifestyle (keto diet), I can attest to the fact that sugar really is the ultimate evil in terms of health and nutrition. I've lost about 100lbs in 2.5 years... The only thing that I really changed was doing a Keto diet. I've learned a lot about nutrition along the way, and it's amazing how bad nutrition info was when I was growing up.. Common Misconceptions I hear/…

> Most people would have to run 10 miles per day to burn off the garbage they would eat in the morning (think of a young adult having an innocent bowl of cereal and OJ for breakfast) How big is your bowl of cereal? 10 miles of running would be >1000 Calories burned. I don't think I've ever consumed 1000 Calories of cereal and juice in a sitting. I'm also pretty sure most people are not eating 1000 Calories for a typi…

I think close to 1000 is pretty common for breakfast. I used to eat Dunkin Donuts a lot and I would see people order a Bagel with Bacon, Egg and Cheese on it. That is 470 calories. A side of hash browns is another 140. And then top of it off with a donut (350~) and an a large ice coffee (170) and you are over 1000 (I took the calorie # from DD website).

Also a single serving of cereal is really small. Until I started using a food scale, I was routinely eating 2 servings of cereal (Multi-grain cheerios) which was about 250 calories.

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by douche »

donutdan4114 wrote: post #11

As someone who has shifted to a sugar-free, high-fat lifestyle (keto diet), I can attest to the fact that sugar really is the ultimate evil in terms of health and nutrition. I've lost about 100lbs in 2.5 years... The only thing that I really changed was doing a Keto diet. I've learned a lot about nutrition along the way, and it's amazing how bad nutrition info was when I was growing up.. Common Misconceptions I hear/…

The thing I've loved about ketogenic diets when I've been on them is that I simply never get hungry. A couple eggs and a few strips of bacon for breakfast, and then I'll look up at sundown and realize I haven't eaten anything all day, and don't particularly feel the need to.

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by Shengbo »

jedberg wrote: post #58

To everyone saying a Keto diet is great, a word of caution. Going Keto gave me kidney stones. I asked my mom, who's had both children and kidney stones, which pain was worse, and she said the pain was about the same, but at least with childbirth you get a few months warning -- stones just show up and give you excruciating pain. So it's great y'all are loosing weight (I did too!) but just be careful and drink a lot of…

Wouldn't adopting a balanced diet that's reasonably low in carbs plus some exercise achieve the desired effect but without fucking shit up in the process?

I can't imagine going from a sedentary, high-carb, overweight lifestyle to a radical diet(be it keto or whatever else the person chooses) is easy on the body.

Did you get any lab tests done before and after starting the diet? If you did, how did the results compare?

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by mason55 »

phil248 wrote: post #77
sickbeard wrote: post #55

The greatest danger is overeating our past our caloric limits. It's not sugar or fat or whatever, it's calories. Lets stick to that.

But that's not true since our bodies process different foods in different ways. Marathon runners don't eat a bunch of steak fat before a run.

Overall bodyweight is controlled by calories in vs. calories out. The different types of calories that you consume (fats vs. carbs vs. proteins) control things like how the extra bodyweight is stored or burned off and the signals your body gives as to whether or not you're hungry.

There are a few biological pathways that you can use to your advantage but they're difficult and short-term. Your body has a very hard time storing protein as fat but that just means it will store the extra calories from carbs and fat as body fat.

These discussions about "CICO only" vs. "Obviously macros matter" are always caused by people arguing two different things with each other.

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by FreeFull »

jedberg wrote: post #58

To everyone saying a Keto diet is great, a word of caution. Going Keto gave me kidney stones. I asked my mom, who's had both children and kidney stones, which pain was worse, and she said the pain was about the same, but at least with childbirth you get a few months warning -- stones just show up and give you excruciating pain. So it's great y'all are loosing weight (I did too!) but just be careful and drink a lot of…

I wonder if it's because you've been consuming too much protein, and not enough fat.

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by jneal »

dpark wrote: post #81
donutdan4114 wrote: post #11

As someone who has shifted to a sugar-free, high-fat lifestyle (keto diet), I can attest to the fact that sugar really is the ultimate evil in terms of health and nutrition. I've lost about 100lbs in 2.5 years... The only thing that I really changed was doing a Keto diet. I've learned a lot about nutrition along the way, and it's amazing how bad nutrition info was when I was growing up.. Common Misconceptions I hear/…

> Most people would have to run 10 miles per day to burn off the garbage they would eat in the morning (think of a young adult having an innocent bowl of cereal and OJ for breakfast) How big is your bowl of cereal? 10 miles of running would be >1000 Calories burned. I don't think I've ever consumed 1000 Calories of cereal and juice in a sitting. I'm also pretty sure most people are not eating 1000 Calories for a typi…

I'd say 1000 calories is a little much, but I think the original point here still stands. I don't have nutrition facts sitting right in front of me, but I do know often times cereal is given in very small quantities, like 130 calories per 3/4 cup. I'd say I used to eat around 3 cups of cereal each morning, so that's 520 calories not counting milk and OJ. The Milk is usually 1 cup, about 110 calories I believe. And 2 cups of OJ is probably around 220. That's 850 calories. It's not entirely inconceivable, and by the given math (which I haven't vetted) that's 8.5 miles still...
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