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Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by clouddrover »

nice_byte wrote: post #54
foota wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Javascript is plenty fast, I don't see why you shouldn't use it to power a browser.

It's not just about the speed of executing Javascript code. The UI is rendered with the browser's rendering engine. I've used Atom and it was a disaster, so I no longer trust any desktop applications written using that technology. I think that if you're going to write a desktop application, you should either use your native platform's APIs or pick a GUI toolkit that can give you a native look and feel. It'll give you…

> The UI is rendered with the browser's rendering engine.

Yes, the performance will matter. But as Servo demonstrates there are a lot of speed gains to be made with the right design.

See this talk by Patrick Walton about Servo's WebRender: https://air.mozilla.org/bay-area-rust-meetup-february-2016/#...

And this short demo comparing Chrome, Firefox, Safari, and Servo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0hYIRQRiws

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by pavs »

Gustomaximus wrote: post #29
SirNoobsAlot wrote: post #3

I'd be curious to see a comparison of this with the "big 3" (Chrome, Firefox, IE). And playing devil's advocate, why bother to make yet another browser?

Given the browser is one of the most used pieces of software, and we increasingly live our digital lives in to, the more competition the better. When was the last time you saw significant innovation in a browser? It seems a while, and I dont believe we're run out of things to improve. More competition is awesome. And dont forget competition encourages the big browser companies to work together to maintain interoperab…

Unless I am missing something. We have seen some major improvements and innovations in the browsing world from major competition even since Chrome entered the market.

Your definition of innovation might be different, but both IE and Firefox have gone through major changes for the better ever since chrome entered the scene.

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by farresito »

Unfortunate that I can't run it on Arch Linux: segmentation fault. Failed to initialize database.

I don't have plans to move away from Firefox, but it's always nice to see people attempt new things.

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by ponyous »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #76
ponyous wrote: post #64

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This is why you pick and use one browser. I like the difference and choice to pick whichever functionality (browser) I want. > I feel like window-management is pretty much broken at this point. I can now have multiple windows, containing multiple tabs, containing multiple ... what would you call those things? Are you saying that we should do all "window" management on OS level? I want to maximise screen estate, havin…

I totally take your point (yes, the 2nd image is 'better' for the most part), and it's one I considered when I wrote my comment. I think it's interesting to compare it with OSX and its global menubar. I'd like to see a windowing system that totally revamps how we think about screens, apps, windows, tabs; menus, toolbars, etc. When should a menu be linked to an app and when should it be linked to a tab? How can we mea…

Is there any incentive you know that tries to standardise how desktop apps should behave?

Just my observations & opinions: I don't think we will reach a point anytime soon where desktop apps have standardised UIs much more than now. The most effort in this space is done on iOS. Apple pushed UX Guidelines quite hard, most of the apps are mainstream consumer oriented and are not even that complex so Tab bar on the bottom + screens above works well. Desktop apps are generally much more complex and therefore harder to standardise I guess.

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by orkoden »

I loved Opera back in the 3.x to 7.x days. Vivaldi's UI and features reminds me of it.

After using it for an hour for my regular browsing, I noticed it uses a lot of CPU for some websites. I saw over 100% for pages where Safari chugs along with 25%. That's enough to get the fans spinning.

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by arupauqa »

V-2 wrote: post #59
mateuszf wrote: post #57

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Vertical tabs - lot of users want it, but chrome devs close the feature requests.

Ah, ok. They are however available in Firefox as an extension, aren't they? Or at least that used to be the case

I tried the Vivaldi version of this a few months ago and it unfortunately does not meet the feature set of Tree Style Tabs. It isn't a worthwhile alternative, for me.

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by rplnt »

V-2 wrote: post #73
Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #66

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Well, I didn't care much for torrent and email in Opera 12, but they didn't bother me either, as they didn't seem to spend any resources when they were not used. Even with torrent, email and IRC, Opera was still the fastest and most lightweight browser around by a mile. The thing with Opera features is that each user had their own pet features. In fact, when Opera released the new Chrome-based versions, removing lots…

> Well, I didn't care much for torrent and email in Opera 12, but they didn't bother me either, as they didn't seem to spend any resources when they were not used. That's true, but they surely spent their resources on developing these extensions. In hindsight, this wasn't such a good bet. Case in point: noone else did that, and this approach is rather outdated now.

Not entirely true with the email as it was also (or only I guess) used as RSS reader by many people.

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by gtk40 »

veidr wrote: post #78
Etheryte wrote: post #4

I'm yet to understand the hype. Perhaps there are users out there to whom it is appealing, but personally I don't see the need for the features they bring out like notes in the browser or stacking tabs next to one another. These are things I can already do using standalone applications or a window manager. I would rather a browser be simple and most importantly stable and fast.

I personally think vertical tabs rule, and I remember them fondly from OmniWeb, but it's not something I would switch my main browser for.

I was introduced to them in Opera, but you can do it through extensions today. I use TreeStyleTab for example, and it's excellent.

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by Arry22 »

I don't get why one would pick this over Chrome Ultron? It's used by NASA and major enterprises. It's super fast and virus free. What makes Vivaldi better than Chrome Ultron?
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