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Re: Mixergy is now a paid subscription service for interviews older than a week

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Post by swombat »

melvinram wrote: post #39
chaosmachine wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was just going to post the same thing. If I was an interviewee, I'd be kind of pissed I'd given my time for free, just so someone else could throw it behind a paywall.

If you were one of his interviewees, you'd understand that hard work must be rewarded. Business models change with time. Every successful entrepreneur (including his interviewees) knows that. I highly doubt they'll perceive this as bait & switch.

Why would they not perceive it as bait and switch? It is bait and switch.

I don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with bait and switch - it's a common marketing tactic - but let's call a cat a cat.

Re: Mixergy is now a paid subscription service for interviews older than a week

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Post by quellhorst »

underover wrote: post #79

I predicted this move several days ago based on this comment. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1130231 I have long suspected that Andrew has been using fake accounts or paying people to put a positive spin on his threads. The above comment was made by a brand new a account and follows a trend of other fishy comments.

Your account here was made 4 days ago.

Re: Mixergy is now a paid subscription service for interviews older than a week

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Post by retro »

underover wrote: post #79

I predicted this move several days ago based on this comment. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1130231 I have long suspected that Andrew has been using fake accounts or paying people to put a positive spin on his threads. The above comment was made by a brand new a account and follows a trend of other fishy comments.

"I have long suspected that Andrew has been using fake accounts or paying people to put a positive spin on his threads. The above comment was made by a brand new a account and follows a trend of other fishy comments."

I have had the same suspicion for quite a while and am surprised no one has looked into this. Glad to hear someone else thinks it's not just the little voices in my head.

Re: Mixergy is now a paid subscription service for interviews older than a week

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Post by retro »

quellhorst wrote: post #82
underover wrote: post #79

I predicted this move several days ago based on this comment. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1130231 I have long suspected that Andrew has been using fake accounts or paying people to put a positive spin on his threads. The above comment was made by a brand new a account and follows a trend of other fishy comments.

Your account here was made 4 days ago.

Does that somehow discredit his opinion?

Re: Mixergy is now a paid subscription service for interviews older than a week

#85

Post by wakeupthedawn »

ruby35 wrote: post #62
ArcticCelt wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am tempted to start contacting some of his old interviewees and ask them what they think about it. I'll ask them to contact him if they are pissed by the fact that they were tricked into giving their free time. Many of them precisely said in those interviews that they were only doing it to give back to the community.

I'm sorry, but that's a douchebag move if you don't warn Andrew ahead of time.

LOL^^^^^ This is another account created one hour ago.

Re: Mixergy is now a paid subscription service for interviews older than a week

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Post by drawkbox »

iconfinder wrote: post #23
grumpyfart wrote: post #17

What about interviewees ? They spent an hour assuming their video would be available by anyone but later on they found out he started to charge of it? Does it fair? (I assume that he didn't inform them beforehand) Finally I'm sure out of thousands people 10 will subscribe but potentially that's pretty much it, that model wouldn't work unless you got something crucial. And to be honest this is just chit-chat. Yes I lo…

I don't agree that these interviews are just chit-chat and feel that I have learned a lot from these interviews. I have subscribed on these nice (free) interviews for 9 months now and listen to them many times a week. Paying the subscription fee is a great way to pay Andrew back for all the hard work he has put into these interviews.

It is probably fine if he is giving a portion to the people he interviewed. People go to mixergy to hear from them. It does also push people to check out interviews before they go behind the pay wall.

However, I think this is a really bad business move, second only to using a fake name. It creates distrust and devalues the community aspect of the product.

Re: Mixergy is now a paid subscription service for interviews older than a week

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Post by sorbus »

retro wrote: post #84
quellhorst wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your account here was made 4 days ago.

Does that somehow discredit his opinion?

When one uses the date of creation of an account to discredit it, yes; also note that underover has one comment (this one), while the account being accused (stevenp) has three, only one of which relates to this topic. Not especially relevant under normal conditions - opinions and information are more important, and all that - but, once again, underover is using this to accuse someone else of being a sock puppet, while his[1] argument also suggests that he is a sock puppet - admittedly, if his name had a c in it, that would go without saying, but it would be nice to get a disclaimer stating that he's a shell account used by another user to maintain anonymity, if that is in fact the case.

[1] I have no evidence that underover is male; I'm merely using the masculine pronouns by default.

Re: Mixergy is now a paid subscription service for interviews older than a week

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Post by mattwdelong »

underover wrote: post #79

I predicted this move several days ago based on this comment. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1130231 I have long suspected that Andrew has been using fake accounts or paying people to put a positive spin on his threads. The above comment was made by a brand new a account and follows a trend of other fishy comments.

The above comment was made by a brand new a account and follows a trend of other fishy comments.

I think that if you have no evidence to substantiate these accusations, then you should keep them to yourself.

I mean, he can easily just be one of the many happy frequent visitors of Mixergy? Andrew does post links to here quite often from the Mixergy site, and they can easily just follow that link.

Though, I must admit as a guy who loves the Mixergy interviews, who is currently saving up for his own startup; I am currently forgoing a cell phone, car, insurance and any other unnecessary expenses, and I cannot validate a $25-100/mo charge for this content. Its valuable, but not that valuable to me. I think he forgot about his bootstrapped followers who can't watch his interviews live and often catch them after the fact.

Though in hindsight, this just may increase the viewership of his live shows - which is an increase in viewer participation in the interview process. Perhaps that is his goal?

Re: Mixergy is now a paid subscription service for interviews older than a week

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Post by m0th87 »

sorbus wrote: post #87
retro wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does that somehow discredit his opinion?

When one uses the date of creation of an account to discredit it, yes; also note that underover has one comment (this one), while the account being accused (stevenp) has three, only one of which relates to this topic. Not especially relevant under normal conditions - opinions and information are more important, and all that - but, once again, underover is using this to accuse someone else of being a sock puppet, whil…

Not really. underover was suggesting these new accounts should be discredited because their newness and pro-Andrew bias suggests they were perhaps created by Andrew. That criticism cannot apply to him, because why would Andrew create an account to criticize himself?

Re: Mixergy is now a paid subscription service for interviews older than a week

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Post by retro »

sorbus wrote: post #87
retro wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does that somehow discredit his opinion?

When one uses the date of creation of an account to discredit it, yes; also note that underover has one comment (this one), while the account being accused (stevenp) has three, only one of which relates to this topic. Not especially relevant under normal conditions - opinions and information are more important, and all that - but, once again, underover is using this to accuse someone else of being a sock puppet, whil…

I see what you mean but I guess I see an important difference between creating a sockpuppet in these two circumstances.

On the one hand creating an account to protect your anonymity when you make a potentially inflammatory accusation about the behavior of a prominent member of the community.

And on the other, creating an account to make it appear that you have more support on the forum than you actually have.

I find the latter to be a serious problem whereas the former seems reasonable and ethical.

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