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Re: Introducing Safari Technology Preview

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Post by chris_wot »

frou_dh wrote: post #80
chris_wot wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying this isn't a timely comment? Or relevant? I'll keep commenting on their three month timeframe on relevant stories. I don't mind that you don't like me making the point that it's unreasonable. Especially as you agree! Edit: I'll review my comment history: * The comment you are responding to, I feel is relevant * I write a reply to this comment that says that Apple's Safari development is getting better,…

I don't think it's an unreasonable complaint, just that it seemed you were in a multi-day enraged frenzy with "3 FUCKIN' months" bouncing around your head :)

Then I guess you owe me an apology then, because I haven't been. It just so happens that I've been commenting on relevant stories about iOS Safari bugs.

Pretty horrid really that you assumed such bad faith. I've been commenting on plenty of stories lately, I've hardly been focussed on this one issue. And I've never used a swear word (well, I once used "bloody", but in my culture that's not a swear word).

Re: Introducing Safari Technology Preview

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Post by frou_dh »

chris_wot wrote: post #81
frou_dh wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's an unreasonable complaint, just that it seemed you were in a multi-day enraged frenzy with "3 FUCKIN' months" bouncing around your head :)

Then I guess you owe me an apology then, because I haven't been. It just so happens that I've been commenting on relevant stories about iOS Safari bugs. Pretty horrid really that you assumed such bad faith. I've been commenting on plenty of stories lately, I've hardly been focussed on this one issue. And I've never used a swear word (well, I once used "bloody", but in my culture that's not a swear word).

I apologise for the inappropriate callout.

Re: Introducing Safari Technology Preview

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Post by chris_wot »

frou_dh wrote: post #82
chris_wot wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then I guess you owe me an apology then, because I haven't been. It just so happens that I've been commenting on relevant stories about iOS Safari bugs. Pretty horrid really that you assumed such bad faith. I've been commenting on plenty of stories lately, I've hardly been focussed on this one issue. And I've never used a swear word (well, I once used "bloody", but in my culture that's not a swear word).

I apologise for the inappropriate callout.

:-) thanks

Re: Introducing Safari Technology Preview

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Post by ryanjshaw »

Longhanks wrote: post #25
ryanjshaw wrote: post #21

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I'll take them seriously when they release something that runs on Windows.

WebKit runs on Windows. It's not Apple's task to package it nicely for you. Chrome was using WebKit a long time, Blink is a WebKit fork. Both run on Windows.

> WebKit runs on Windows.

WebKit != Safari or Chrome or anything else.

Safari has quirks that you cannot experience without using Safari itself, which you still cannot run without a Mac. When you've wasted hours trying to track down one of these issues and realise it's a Safari quirk you'll understand my annoyance.

> It's not Apple's task to package it nicely for you.

I'm not sure where you get this idea from given that it contradicts the article: "Safari Technology Preview is a standalone application that can be used side-by-side with Safari or other web browsers... It’s a great way to test upcoming WebKit features and give feedback to the people building them when it’s most useful." I'm pointing out my opinion that they cannot meaningfully achieve that result without a Windows implementation.

Re: Introducing Safari Technology Preview

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Post by ryanjshaw »

mrweasel wrote: post #29
ryanjshaw wrote: post #21

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I'll take them seriously when they release something that runs on Windows.

Why? Don't you take Microsoft serious either? Edge isn't exactly running on Mac... or Linux.

I don't understand your comment. I was responding to the parent stating: "Apple's been taking a number of steps over the last few months to show that they take Safari/WebKit development seriously." I'm annoyed because there are Safari-specific issues that as a Windows user I cannot debug, thus my comment that I cannot take Safari seriously. Like it or not, Windows is the dominant desktop platform.

Re: Introducing Safari Technology Preview

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Post by frou_dh »

om2 wrote: post #71
chiph wrote: post #61

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I wouldn't ever enable clipboard integration -- a malicious site could use it to collect data by using the paste command with execCommand -- they'd grab whatever was on my clipboard, which could include my banking password from my password manager app that I was just getting ready to use.

That's why they only get the ability to programmatically trigger cut and copy, not paste.

I guess there's room for an attack of irritation where a user with something meaningful on their clipboard unwittingly triggers having it overwritten by some nonsense. (Most clipboards effectively being a single mutable item without history or stack/queue behaviour).

Re: Introducing Safari Technology Preview

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Post by skybrian »

ryanjshaw wrote: post #85
mrweasel wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Don't you take Microsoft serious either? Edge isn't exactly running on Mac... or Linux.

I don't understand your comment. I was responding to the parent stating: "Apple's been taking a number of steps over the last few months to show that they take Safari/WebKit development seriously." I'm annoyed because there are Safari-specific issues that as a Windows user I cannot debug, thus my comment that I cannot take Safari seriously. Like it or not, Windows is the dominant desktop platform.

Cross-platform means you have to test on multiple machines. A company that's taking web development seriously also needs Mac, iOS, and Android devices to test on. Or borrow them every now and then, or sometimes virtual machines will work.

(I do often skip testing on Windows and iOS for hobbyist stuff since I don't normally use them, but I don't blame other people for it.)

Re: Introducing Safari Technology Preview

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Post by eyesee »

d2ncal wrote: post #27

I wish they support WebGL stuff for 360 Video Playback... https://milkvr.com/view/VUNmjRRDV60

Safari does support WebGL and can do 360 video playback: https://360fly.com/videos/aiHPVUMLZHUPJEoiZ2yXia/

It has somewhat more restrictive CORS requirements than other browsers which not every 360 player has addressed. There's also the issue that Safari on iPhone can't play 360 videos because of the media player taking over fullscreen playback.

Re: Introducing Safari Technology Preview

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Post by Skinney »

ryanjshaw wrote: post #85
mrweasel wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Don't you take Microsoft serious either? Edge isn't exactly running on Mac... or Linux.

I don't understand your comment. I was responding to the parent stating: "Apple's been taking a number of steps over the last few months to show that they take Safari/WebKit development seriously." I'm annoyed because there are Safari-specific issues that as a Windows user I cannot debug, thus my comment that I cannot take Safari seriously. Like it or not, Windows is the dominant desktop platform.

I think what the parent is getting at, is that you've got the same problem regarding IE on Mac. There are IE specific issues that I as a OS X developer cannot debug.

Re: Introducing Safari Technology Preview

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Post by X-Istence »

an4rchy wrote: post #62

It would be great if they mentioned El Capitan as a pre- requisite before people download and find out. I know the expectation is that most Macs are up to date but if you can't install it on Yosemite, they should let people know.

It's mentioned right there on the download page:

https://developer.apple.com/safari/download/

"Compatible with OS X 10.11.4 or later"

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