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Re: Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users

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Post by lewisl9029 »

grinich wrote: post #75
lewisl9029 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as I'd love to use something like Nylas, the deal-breaker for me was its sync engine. Having a third party store and index all of my emails just isn't an option for me, and I can't justify jumping through hoops to host it myself when I can just use a client that doesn't require any server-side component.

That's fine-- I totally understand. It's not built for everyone. Cloud Sync is needed for features like Snoozing and Send Later. (And more things upcoming...)

Have you guys thought about maybe bundling a local sync engine with the electron app or streamlining the setup and integration process for a local sync engine some other way (a pull-able Docker container comes to mind)? That would definitely make Nylas a lot more attractive for privacy conscious users like myself.

Re: Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users

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Post by mchahn »

grinich wrote: post #80
grinich wrote: post #76

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Thanks for the kind words! If there's one thing consistent about software, it's that things always get faster. People had a similar sentiment about Java (sloowwwwww), and yet now the JVM is pretty amazing and powers a huge part of the world. We know N1 isn't as fast as something written in C++, but we're not super worried about it because this is likely the slowest that N1 will ever be-- and yet lots of people are st…

As an aside, I don't believe the Slack app is taking full advantage of ElectronJS. It's essentially still just a wrapped webapp. (They run the same version in the browser.) Full ElectronJS apps can use something called ASAR which effectively creates a super efficient bundle for loading application code at launch. More here: https://github.com/atom/electron/blob/master/docs/tutorial/a...

> Full ElectronJS apps can use something called ASAR

That was a major reason Atom went from unbearably slow to start to reasonable. I wonder if the Atom github people pushed the Electron github people to do this.

Re: Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users

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Post by mchahn »

bithush wrote: post #19
nish1500 wrote: post #6

Just switched over from Sublime to Atom yesterday. Couldn't be happier. The community around Atom is active, and exciting, much unlike Sublime Text. I hope subsequent updates make it faster, since ST still has an edge there.

How is Atom for non-web languages such as C?

The languages Atom supports have very little to do with the languages Atom is built with. Anyone can add first-class language support to Atom and many have.

I watch all the new Atom packages as they are released, which is taking more and more of my time, and I have been shocked at how many languages there are. There are many many weird languages I've never heard of.

Re: Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users

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Post by mchahn »

Touche wrote: post #53
adrianpike wrote: post #43

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Serious question, what makes you consider GA malware?

It's software to silently track your activity across the web without your knowledge or approval.

> without your knowledge

Then how did you know about it? (sorry, I had to). Seriously though, everyone knows most web pages use GA.

Re: Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users

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Post by grinich »

lewisl9029 wrote: post #81
grinich wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's fine-- I totally understand. It's not built for everyone. Cloud Sync is needed for features like Snoozing and Send Later. (And more things upcoming...)

Have you guys thought about maybe bundling a local sync engine with the electron app or streamlining the setup and integration process for a local sync engine some other way (a pull-able Docker container comes to mind)? That would definitely make Nylas a lot more attractive for privacy conscious users like myself.

What specifically have you had issues with? We haven't seen great proven cross-platform support for docker images, which is why we're still using Vagrant+Virtualbox. From the folks we've talked with, it seems to be a pretty painless process. (We do this for development all the time.)

Obviously features like Snooze and Send Later won't work, but the idea here is you can build the entire stack or deploy it to your own VPS at any time.

Re: Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users

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Post by victorhooi »

Touche wrote: post #70
victorhooi wrote: post #63

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The knowledge/approval part isn't Google Analytics - that's usually built in to whatever uses it. In the case of Atom, they state quite plainly on first-load that they track usage for the purposes of telemetry/product improvement, and you can opt-out on first-open. I'm not really sure I see the issue? Also, usually with Google Analytics you're viewing a remote website (or in this case I suppose you're phoning home fo…

> The knowledge/approval part isn't Google Analytics - that's usually built in to whatever uses it. That's right, GA is the malware and websites / apps that use it are distributing malware. Sort of like SourceForge distributing malware with its installers. > I'm not really sure I see the issue? Do you have an issue IRL if someone follows you around, taking notes of every where you go? I do.

Your first paragraph makes no sense - you haven't established how Google Analytics is malware.

I'm sorry, but that's like saying "Trees are weapons of mass destruction", then providing no evidence for that statement.

If you can at least provide some salient evidence to substantiate what otherwise seems to make no sense, we can try to understand your point. As it stands, I'm sorry, but you just come off as a bit tin-foil...

With regards to your second point - let's say I have a supermarket rewards card - every time I make a purchase, they track it. Do I have an issue with it? Nope, not really - I'm buying the damn products from them, why should I care if they know what I'm buying from them. I'm sure if they really wanted, they could compare the credit card receipts against store takings - this just simplifies the process for them.

Or say I drive a car, and I go through a toll-gate - do I care that the toll-gate company knows my daily trips, or when I like to travel?

(Maybe they'll send an email going, we notice you like driving during peak hours, have you considered driving at these times.)

Nope - I'm already paying to go through their toll-gate, if I didn't want them to know I drove through their toll-gate, I just wouldn't take that toll road.

Likewise with Google Analytics - it's used by a website, to track visitors to its own website - if you don't want them seeing you visit their website, don't visit it.

As I said earlier, your IP address is already sent every time you hit the web-server - this just helps them parse and graph that data into pretty charts.

Would you complain if you found out a website had Apache access logs of your visit? Would you jump up and down, yelling it was an invasion of your privacy?

If you don't want a website knowing you visited their website - don't visit them. I'm sorry if it seems harsh - but of all the reasons to hate on an open-source project like Atom, this seems like an incredibly petty and baseless one.

Re: Atom Reaches 1M Active Monthly Users

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Post by blisterpeanuts »

vbit wrote: post #66
blisterpeanuts wrote: post #42

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I'm a confirmed Emacs user since the early 1990s. But when I saw Atom in use on a Youtube tutorial video, I decided to try it. Always interested in finding out what "the young'uns" are using. It's a pretty nice editor, actually. I like the tabs approach; I like the restore at startup. Colorized text works well and detects file types correctly even without filename extension. I notice there's an atom-macros module. Ni…

Would macros win you over?

That would help. But also, dired (and find-grep-dired, and shell-command-on-region, and delete-rectangle, and a couple dozen others).

But that's OK. There's room in the universe for more than one editor. I use vi all the time from the command line for quick edits, and Atom is earning a place in my toolbox as well.

As Walt Whitman said: I am large, I contain multitudes.

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