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Why? I think it is possible for life to evolve on a planet with only plants and fungus. Plants have been pretty successful down here on Earth, and I think most of them don't need animals for their survival (except flowers?).
Flowers don't necessarily need animal life either, though it does help. Wind can pollinate.
What is the real reason we sleep?
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Re: What is the real reason we sleep?
#82I suspect that it's an artifact of the Earth having a day-night cycle at all. Imagine the very first organisms on earth. One is always wakeful, and spends all of its awake time hunting for food. During the earth's night cycle, hunting for food is harder - it's colder, so smell molecules travel more slowly. It's darker, so you can't see food as well. The organism has to work harder to gain the same calories compared to during the day. If there's another organism that goes into a low-energy state during the night, it exchanges the risk of being killed for food during the night with the lower energy budget of not needing to be active at night. Even if a particular organism gets eaten, it's a net positive for the species, and these organisms can outcompete the wakeful organisms.
Then, as sleepfulness becomes part of the successful energy budget of early organisms, you can further optimise nighttime activities - organisms that do brain garbage collecting during the night can do so more efficiently than organisms that also sleep but do continuous garbage collecting. Because sleep was the optimal strategy for primitive organisms, fitting recovery into sleep becomes selectively chosen for.
The only way to prove this, though, would to find a planet that has no day/night cycle, and see if those organisms have any sleep behavior.
Re: What is the real reason we sleep?
#83All of these answers for why we sleep - garbage collection in brain processes, energy recovery - beg the question, why do these processes HAVE to happen during sleep, instead of during wakefulness. I suspect that it's an artifact of the Earth having a day-night cycle at all. Imagine the very first organisms on earth. One is always wakeful, and spends all of its awake time hunting for food. During the earth's night cy…
Deep sea hydrothermal vents provide this experiment on Earth. While the ecosystems are not completely isolated from our sun based ones, they are pretty insolated from it. Of course, to actually prove this you would need multiple, independent, evolutions of life with a day/night cycle and multiple evolutions without one.
Re: What is the real reason we sleep?
#84All of these answers for why we sleep - garbage collection in brain processes, energy recovery - beg the question, why do these processes HAVE to happen during sleep, instead of during wakefulness. I suspect that it's an artifact of the Earth having a day-night cycle at all. Imagine the very first organisms on earth. One is always wakeful, and spends all of its awake time hunting for food. During the earth's night cy…
>The only way to prove this, though, would to find a planet that has no day/night cycle, and see if those organisms have any sleep behavior. Deep sea hydrothermal vents provide this experiment on Earth. While the ecosystems are not completely isolated from our sun based ones, they are pretty insolated from it. Of course, to actually prove this you would need multiple, independent, evolutions of life with a day/night…
Re: What is the real reason we sleep?
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
How did you discover you had sleep apnea?
Probably through an overnight clinical sleep study.
Common symptoms of sleep apnea are if you're regularly tired without apparent reason or experience a reduced ability to concentrate during daytime, or if your surrounding complains that you snore loudly.
Re: What is the real reason we sleep?
#86Two things missing from the article: physical repair is improved in sleep; and the laydown of long-term memories is an important part of sleep. You can screw up someone's memory of the previous day by waking them at the right times. And, as usual, REM sleep steals the show. Probably because of that funky acronym, and that's when we tend to have movie-like dreams. Wake people up at the right time in slow-wave sleep an…
In my mind, all of your other examples have a singular answer, even if the answer isn't the full story. one reason why we respirate To replenish the oxygen in our blood. one reason why we digest To extract energy from our food. one reason why we circulate To distribute nutrients around the body. Simplified as those answers may be, they're not wrong FAFAIK, they're incomplete. Do we have such a single not-completely-w…
Then compare to the article, a bit of long-form journalism rather than throw-away summary lines, which opens with the statement that there's one crucial reason for sleep and we don't know it.
Re: What is the real reason we sleep?
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Begins to sound like a science fiction novel where a bunch of sleep researchers discover that far from being 'down time' sleep is actually a period where our neural hardware is being used by beings from another dimension to perform some nefarious calculation. Or if Douglas Adams were still alive a P2P version of Deep Thought.
My (semi-serious) theory: Sleep is us logging off of this MMO game we play. Our "real" bodies (minds) need some downtime from the game. So this explains why real AI will never happen: This reality is not where our consciousness lies.
Re: What is the real reason we sleep?
#88Of course, we sleep because we evolved from other forms that already slept!
The understanding of sleep isn't complete without taking into account why animals sleep.
Sleep could have gotten more complicated during evolution; acquiring new functions.
Re: What is the real reason we sleep?
#89This rambling summary article touches briefly on "natural selection" but no one has yet to look into what seems obvious. In mammals where most parents have to care for their young, if the young did not sleep, did not give their parents a break for long periods, they would not survive. Therefore sleep is selected for. Those offspring that sleep survive, passing on the sleep trait, to their offspring. - Source: parent.
Re: What is the real reason we sleep?
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"Likely" is not the word I would go for. "according to my wild guess" is a more accurate term.
I've heard it before and it's not their wild guess but a seriously discussed idea. It's just that it's hard to set up experiments to test these sort of ideas.