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South Korea announces $860M AI fund after AlphaGo 'shock'

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Re: South Korea announces $860M AI fund after AlphaGo 'shock'

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logicallee wrote: post #35
besselheim wrote: post #13

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That sounds unlikely. We don't yet know the structure of the human brain in full detail, nor know everything about how it grows and develops, so how can you possibly replicate it?

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Re: South Korea announces $860M AI fund after AlphaGo 'shock'

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Post by hackuser »

treme wrote: post #74
hackuser wrote: post #69

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I don't know much about the old dictatorship. I do know this story is told about many dictatorships. In the others, the reality is that the dictatorship is even more corrupt but because there is no freedom of the press, nobody reports it and the dictator publishes their propaganda about how clean they are and how they are jailing people for corruption, when really they are jailing their opponents (like President Xi i…

Democracy is usually the best, and dictators are usually bad at managing economies, but there are exceptions. Every once in a while, people luck out and get a competent dictator with proper leadership & economic understanding to direct resources to appropriate areas for economic growth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Chung-hee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Kuan_Yew Both brutal dictators; but widely considered…

> Both brutal dictators; but widely considered to have done a fine job steering economies.

One does not balance the other. Stalin industrialized Russia; Hitler rebuilt the German economy.

Re: South Korea announces $860M AI fund after AlphaGo 'shock'

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Post by yongjik »

sikim wrote: post #64
jahpeacelove wrote: post #54

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Care to provide some examples beyond your feelings? The South Korean government did pretty well with shipbuilding: http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/phone/news/view.jsp?req_newsidx=69...

As you probably noticed from the article you linked, strong leadership was what made it possible. President Park is a controversial figure in Korea because of his ruthlessness and dictatorship but nevertheless contributed significantly to the country's economic growth. Under his rule, if people were caught accepting bribes from someone, they would face severe punishments for sure. Currently there is no such leadershi…

> Under his rule, if people were caught accepting bribes from someone, they would face severe punishments for sure.

[citation needed]

...Or was that a rhetorical device, meaning if people were caught accepting bribes, then of course they were already out of political favor, so they were heavily punished?

In the late years Park's servants would "recruit" women to serve him. In fact there was a young girl in the last night when he was shot by his own aide while drinking. So I find it very hard to believe Park would have minded his minions doing creating accounting.

Some people say Park wasn't corrupt because he did not amass personal wealth, but that argument misses the fact that he had no intention to retire. The country was his, and would remain his. Moving money to his own bank account would have been like moving money from the left pocket to the right pocket. Why bother?

Re: South Korea announces $860M AI fund after AlphaGo 'shock'

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Post by ovi256 »

1stop wrote: post #48
xianshou wrote: post #30

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To paraphrase Obi-Wan: I feel a great disturbance in the industry...it is as if a million startups cried out in supplication, and were suddenly funded. Pure injections of capital may work for basic needs in Africa, but tend to flounder in creative endeavors. From what I've seen, access to resources - a strong entrepreneurial community, top researchers, good hardware, and a flexible and customer-rich business environm…

The Apollo program would be a good counter example.

The people contributing to the Apollo program were genuinely frightened of the US being behind in the space race and thus defenseless against strategic military applications of space technology, such as surveillance and early warning satellites, ICBMs or fractional orbit bombardment systems. Already deployed bomber-delivered nuclear bombs were an existential threat only countered by mutual annihilation (bilateral use). Unilateral access to space-delivery of atomic munitions would have shattered this equilibrium. This created a feeling of urgency and common purpose similar to that felt in wartime.

Unfortunately, peacetime development lacks that feeling.

Re: South Korea announces $860M AI fund after AlphaGo 'shock'

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Post by yongjik »

dnautics wrote: post #75
sikim wrote: post #11

As a South Korean who experienced/heard about many government-backed researches, I strongly feel that this will go nowhere. Most of the time, there's always some bribery involved and project never finishes or come even close to that of the tech companies in US. The government then realizes it can't be done even with more money and puts the money elsewhere just to repeat the same thing. The examples that I can think o…

Hwang woo suk and stem cells?

That's different. Hwang's case was the story of a fraudster, who built his empire based on deceit, bribery, using his students like slaves, and generally knowing which buttons to press to incite a wave of nationalism mixed with personality cult.

That is, he was one of his own kind. A legend, if you could call him that.

Re: South Korea announces $860M AI fund after AlphaGo 'shock'

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Post by argonaut »

hackuser wrote: post #82
treme wrote: post #74

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Democracy is usually the best, and dictators are usually bad at managing economies, but there are exceptions. Every once in a while, people luck out and get a competent dictator with proper leadership & economic understanding to direct resources to appropriate areas for economic growth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Chung-hee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Kuan_Yew Both brutal dictators; but widely considered…

> Both brutal dictators; but widely considered to have done a fine job steering economies. One does not balance the other. Stalin industrialized Russia; Hitler rebuilt the German economy.

You missed the part where Stalin ruined the economy through collectivization and and Hitler ruined the economy because of, you know, going to war.

Re: South Korea announces $860M AI fund after AlphaGo 'shock'

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Post by burfog »

yongjik wrote: post #78
treme wrote: post #73

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Major_Rivers_Project#Crit... 17 billion $~ spent with little to show for it, with much allegations of corruption between President Lee & his ex-employer Hyundai constructions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0ANQBP0Cq8 6 million $ spent on "robo-fish" to detect & observe water conditions, 7/9 units DOA; met 10% of targeted spec (speed/data networking bandwidth capabilities) I think…

17 billion $ spent, s/with little to show for it/which resulted in total ecological disaster in four major rivers/ During the summer these days, the state of the riverwater is humorously called "Nokjo (algal bloom) latte". See: https://www.google.com/search?q=%EB%85%B9%EC%A1%B0%EB%9D%BC%... I'm actually happy that Park Geun-Hye is babbling about AI's. At least I can't think of any way that could do a long-lasting har…

It does look like a drink we call "green smoothie" made from ground up spinach, kiwi, etc. Sometimes algae is added. The drink is usually overpriced. It looks like you get it for free!

It is normal for politicians to be stupid. Don't you want your country to be normal?

Re: South Korea announces $860M AI fund after AlphaGo 'shock'

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Post by cma »

sikim wrote: post #11

As a South Korean who experienced/heard about many government-backed researches, I strongly feel that this will go nowhere. Most of the time, there's always some bribery involved and project never finishes or come even close to that of the tech companies in US. The government then realizes it can't be done even with more money and puts the money elsewhere just to repeat the same thing. The examples that I can think o…

Weren't Samsung and LG heavily government backed?
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