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Re: Terra Bella

#81
Can someone either summarize what this is, or point to a another reference?

My questions: How does it make my life better. What can I do with this service, that I couldn't do before.

As others mentioned, the website is difficult to understand (for me at least)

Re: Terra Bella

#82

Can someone either summarize what this is, or point to a another reference? My questions: How does it make my life better. What can I do with this service, that I couldn't do before. As others mentioned, the website is difficult to understand (for me at least)

Ok I found this, but it's just as nebulas.

"As proud as we are to have played a leading role in developing satellite technologies, we have realized that our vision extends far beyond boxes in the sky. As Google revolutionized search for the online world, we have set our eyes on pioneering the search for patterns of change in the physical world. In order to focus firmly on the future, we’re pursuing that vision under a new name – Terra Bella."

Re: Terra Bella

#83

This post makes me wonder about space pollution/saturation. Are there any resources that talk about what is a safe number of satellites for different altitudes and the effects of space pollution? I have heard of the Kessler Syndrome, any suggestions that discuss this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome

With the explosion of commercial space in the past 30 years and the end of the Cold War, the space agencies are very concerned about this issue and there is a lot of tracking and cooperation. The regulatory process for launch is quite lengthy, and debris concerns are absolutely addressed industry-wide.

Generally as part of the permitting process you have to file an Orbital Debris Assessment Report that contains predictions for orbital lifetime, what will happen to the satellite at EOL, systems for putting the satellite in a safe orbit in case of in-service failure, launch failure etc, risk of collision with other orbital objects and so on.

The details differ depending what orbital regime. Things at ISS altitude (~400km) or below will deorbit very quickly (days to months). Terra Bella and other earth observation satellites are typically in slightly altitude, sun-synchronous, near-polar orbits. They will need to carry propellant to drop the vehicle down to a lower orbit when they are taken out of service, otherwise the orbital lifetime will be 5-50 years.

Geosynchronous satellites are basically going to be up there forever, so they are placed into a slightly lower (but still extremely high) parking orbit after their useful life ends. This keeps them out of the way of the active satellites, and the orbit there is so large that collisions are unlikely.

Finally, the US maintains radar tracking, and will notify operators if a collision is possible so they can make a maneuver. Generally a small adjustment, if performed ahead of time, is sufficient to reduce the probability of collision significantly.

The scary things are debris that are too small to track but large enough to cause damage, and situations where non-operational satellites conjuct.

Fun fact: if the conjunction probability is high enough, the Air Force will call you in the middle of the night.

Re: Terra Bella

#84

Is there a readable version of the web site that doesn't have obnoxious scrolling? Someone needs to tell their designers about the Principle of Least Surprise. I'll look at this after they fix this so it doesn't give me a headache.

This sort of fake scrolling also means that Chrome extensions like Full Screen Page Capture don't work.

Re: Terra Bella

#85

Is there a readable version of the web site that doesn't have obnoxious scrolling? Someone needs to tell their designers about the Principle of Least Surprise. I'll look at this after they fix this so it doesn't give me a headache.

How does an unusable page like this even pass preliminary design review? Perhaps the page works well on the 16-core desktop computers with giant monitors common in the ivory tower.

I'm not going to defend the design choices here but it performs fine on my four year old laptop running Firefox/Ubuntu, so it requires neither a very powerful hardware, nor Chrome which is a more common failure mode.

Re: Terra Bella

#86
post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is we want a lot of things to be in geostationary orbit, which is only possible at a specific altitude. That effectively transforms the "space" from three dimensions to two because the third relative coordinate for all of those things has to be the same. Which is when relative motion becomes a problem. The Empire State Building and the Trump Building are at approximately the same altitude (i.e. sea level)…

You also don't have to worry about things in geostationary orbit crashing into each other ;)

The things in geostationary orbit don't crash into each other, they just constitute a relatively high density of "stuff" all in one place that non-geostationary objects at the same altitude could hit every time they cross the equator.

The worst case would presumably be something large and heavy put into orbit around the equator at the same altitude and speed as geostationary orbit but going in the opposite direction.

Re: Terra Bella

#87

Is there a readable version of the web site that doesn't have obnoxious scrolling? Someone needs to tell their designers about the Principle of Least Surprise. I'll look at this after they fix this so it doesn't give me a headache.

I was surprised too -- I have the high-end 15" Retina MacBook with dedicated graphics and I couldn't get the page to perform after scrolling past the first part at all. It was slow, laggy and kept dropping frames. Very odd. Cool site, but it appears it isn't working as intended, as my dedicated graphics kept turning on and off.

Re: Terra Bella

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But isn't it? I mean low earth orbit is at least as much space as we have on the surface, which is already pretty damn big. Yeah, speeds and orbits and stuff change the game a bit, but i can't imagine even a few thousands of satellites cramping a space that large.

The problem is overall pollution of exit trajectories... Imagine how much more difficult it will be in 100 years to launch anything without hitting something on the way out. It should be a requirement of any satellite manufacturer to have a decomm plan. A plan which will eject the thing from orbit, or let it burn up on re-entry. Tell me why you might think thats a bad idea?

Are you suggesting something different from the current rules about that? It's a requirement in the US; not all countries have made it mandatory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_debris#Growth_mitigation

Re: Terra Bella

#89

Is there a readable version of the web site that doesn't have obnoxious scrolling? Someone needs to tell their designers about the Principle of Least Surprise. I'll look at this after they fix this so it doesn't give me a headache.

This isn't a product, it's an advertisement. Surprise is sometimes (often?) useful in advertising.

Re: Terra Bella

#90

Is there a readable version of the web site that doesn't have obnoxious scrolling? Someone needs to tell their designers about the Principle of Least Surprise. I'll look at this after they fix this so it doesn't give me a headache.

How does an unusable page like this even pass preliminary design review? Perhaps the page works well on the 16-core desktop computers with giant monitors common in the ivory tower.

3 year old MBA, Safari and it runs well.
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