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Artists Covertly Scan Bust of Nefertiti and Release the Data for Free Online

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Re: Artists Covertly Scan Bust of Nefertiti and Release the Data for Free Online

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Post by mchahn »

viraptor wrote: post #64
mchahn wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that cannot be displayed to the public in fear of damaging them I saw the Mona Lisa at the Louvre on vacation. It was being displayed on a wall like any other painting but it had a big sign, saying no flash photography. There was a large crowd in front and there was a constant flashing from cameras. I wanted to yell at everyone but it wouldn't have done any good.

Was that the original? I remember seeing Lady with an Ermine in Poland - really thick glass in front, dark room, people reminding you about the flash before going in. And I imagine that's not even remotely as important painting.

> Was that the original?

Yes. It was 30 years ago so they have probably improved the protection since then.

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Post by toomuchtodo »

admsyn wrote: post #45
toomuchtodo wrote: post #18

Excitingly enough, UNESCO and IDA are helping fund cameras for 3D scanning of cultural heritage sites in Syria to preserve them in the event ISIS/ISIL destroys them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_cultural_herita... "After the Palmyra temple's destruction in August 2015, the Institute for Digital Archaeology (IDA) announced plans to establish a digital record of historical sites and artifacts threatened…

http://www.newpalmyra.org/ > NEWPALMYRA is a Digital Archaeology project, collecting data from international partners, analyzing it, creating a reconstruction of Palmyra in virtual space, and sharing the models and data in the public domain. We are using digital tools to preserve the heritage sites being actively deleted by ISIS.

Sorry I forgot to mention this in my comment! Thank you for posting it!

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Post by roywiggins »

dogma1138 wrote: post #47
roywiggins wrote: post #29

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As optimistic as I am about photogrammetry and other 3D-scanning technology, I'm leery of calling it "preservation" or letting you "recreate" artifacts. It captures shape and texture, but that's all. It's hollow. You can't take a core sample of a 3D scan, you can't X-Ray a 3D scan, you can't smell it or touch it; you can't tell if there's anything inside and you can't carbon-date it. It can't capture how pliable or b…

And? if you are looking at a good reproduction of the Mona Lisa do you feel anything less? There are tons of items that cannot be displayed to the public in fear of damaging them this can help to create a more accurate replica that can be easily displayed at a fraction of the cost. Just so you know museums have been displaying replicas for decades (if not longer) as many items were too fragile to display, many "origi…

Reproductions are awesome as aids to study and for education, no question. Scan everything and make it available in virtual & physical museums! There are huge gains from that. A faithful reproduction of an ancient Egyptian coffin lid is probably nearly as good, from an educational point of view, as the real thing.

But you're not going to be able to take that reproduction coffin lid, put it in a CAT scan, and find a 3000-year-old fingerprint.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/three-thousand-yea...

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Post by garblegarble »

tiglionabbit wrote: post #3

They snuck in kinects under their ties. That's great.

There's something really fishy about the quality of the model if the kinect was used to capture the data, it seems more likely that this is a cover-story for a leak of the museum's 3D laser scan data

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Post by dogma1138 »

roywiggins wrote: post #83
dogma1138 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And? if you are looking at a good reproduction of the Mona Lisa do you feel anything less? There are tons of items that cannot be displayed to the public in fear of damaging them this can help to create a more accurate replica that can be easily displayed at a fraction of the cost. Just so you know museums have been displaying replicas for decades (if not longer) as many items were too fragile to display, many "origi…

Reproductions are awesome as aids to study and for education, no question. Scan everything and make it available in virtual & physical museums! There are huge gains from that. A faithful reproduction of an ancient Egyptian coffin lid is probably nearly as good, from an educational point of view, as the real thing. But you're not going to be able to take that reproduction coffin lid, put it in a CAT scan, and find a 3…

Of course not but there are other good uses for reproduction and that if they are good enough you can gain insight from actually touching and handling them. Humans gain quite a bit of information from touching things, the lack of touch is actually felt in some fields like astronomy that have now started to experiment with 3D printing staler objects based on observational data and mathematical models to gain additional insight into various objects.

"The success of our work and easy identification of previously unrecognized physical features highlight the important role 3D printing and interactive graphics can play in the visualization and understanding of complex 3D time-dependent numerical simulations of astrophysical phenomena."

http://arxiv.org/abs/1503.00716

And while you won't be getting any fingerprints or trace material of a reproduction sarcophagus more people could see it, be inspired and you can actually use them in touch exhibits which open a whole other world for allot of people including the blind.

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Post by zupreme »

overgard wrote: post #24
zupreme wrote: post #16

This is the future. Copyrights and patents were really only effective when the means of production were out of the reach of the average person. 3D printing, digital audio, and other current technologies are almost certainly going to make copyrights only effective at stopping mass monetezation of copied content - not at stopping the copying and sharing of content for personal use. 3D printers in particular, I believe,…

I doubt the last claim; even if the materials were cheap enough you're dealing with a lot of assembly. If capitalism has taught us anything it's that people will pay for convenience. Plus packaging and branding are huge in those markets. Shopping for and opening the toy is like half the excitement!

I agree. Toys which require a great deal of assembly effort will probably remain viable in the marketplace - for now.

But now that the 3d-printing door has been opened I do think there are already lots of smart people working on companion technologies to bridge the articulation and assembly gaps.

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Post by ekianjo »

sp332 wrote: post #70
ekianjo wrote: post #63

Isnt art from antiquity devoid of all copyright anyway? Why arent such scans completely lawful in the first place especially when they belong to the public?

Copyright, yes. But the museum is allowed to hide the object and their scans if they want to. If there is legal action against the scholars, it would be for damages (probably lost revenue) and not for copyright infringement.

Does the Museum actually own the work of art? I think they probably own the physical object but isnt its artistic expression considered as intellectual property and therefore wouldnt it fall in the public domain?

As for the lost revenue claim, then what about the pictures of paintings you find everywhere? Wouldnt they cause lost revenue as well if we follow that logic?

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Post by sp332 »

ekianjo wrote: post #87
sp332 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Copyright, yes. But the museum is allowed to hide the object and their scans if they want to. If there is legal action against the scholars, it would be for damages (probably lost revenue) and not for copyright infringement.

Does the Museum actually own the work of art? I think they probably own the physical object but isnt its artistic expression considered as intellectual property and therefore wouldnt it fall in the public domain? As for the lost revenue claim, then what about the pictures of paintings you find everywhere? Wouldnt they cause lost revenue as well if we follow that logic?

It's not copyrighted, so the intellectual property is in the public domain. But this doesn't mean they are prohibited from hiding the object, or making people contractually agree not to take photos.

In the USA, there are certain fair use rights that let you copy a work without a license. It's a big gray area, usually it's OK if it's for purposes of commentary or education, and not for commercial use. Other jurisdictions are probably more strict.

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