I've really enjoyed the time I've spent with Go but feel like the state of dependency management has kept me away. Am I being stubborn in my longing for an npm, Ruby Gems, or pip? Is there a reason why one of these hasn't emerged/been adopted by the community? (I'm aware of the 1.5 experiment with vendoring.) Semver and pinning versions has always just made sense to me. I can easily adopt new features and fixes autom…
Go 1.6 is Released
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Re: Go 1.6 is Released
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
Java SE and a fat jar... checks all the boxes and has generics and superior tooling. I still don't get the Go love.
I don't like Oracle. I don't like the JVM. I refuse to learn Java because I personally have a strong bias for native, compiled code. In fact, I really dislike everything about the Java way of programming. The mental image of a huge ram sucking IDE with code completion for frameworks is simply incompatible with what I would consider the ideal creative process for me as programmer. That being said, if I were starting a…
"I don't like Oracle. I don't like the JVM."
You could just save yourself some (a bunch) of typing stopping there. All the other reason make you look like a clown.
Re: Go 1.6 is Released
#83Go checks a lot of boxes for my ideal language for developing web services: Static type, C derived, has garbage collection, generates a single binary, supports concurrency very well, is opinionated, is small/simple, its community prefers to just use standard lib for most work, etc. Yes, Generics is an issue and so is debugging. But, overall, I can't think of many other options that check so many boxes. EDIT: I must h…
Java SE and a fat jar... checks all the boxes and has generics and superior tooling. I still don't get the Go love.
Depends on the usecase. I deal with java in the hadoop/big data space and I constantly wonder how much better the ecosystem would have been had it been implemented in a solid systems language.
I also find the tooling for go vastly superior out of the box compared to what i end up using with java/Scala. XML?! Wtf?!
Re: Go 1.6 is Released
#84The reason I love Go is that every time I pull it out, I write a small amount of it and it runs beautifully. For example my company has a critical micro-service implemented in ~300 lines of Go, it's been running for six months now without a single hiccup, highly performant, very sexy. The reason I will almost never use Go for web apps is because interaction with databases is limited (almost entirely) to raw queries.…
> The reason I will almost never use Go for web apps is because interaction with databases is limited > but it's a huge drop in efficiency to spin my own SQL. Sorry, I have to disagree. I come from PHP, where when you sneeze an ORM appears. I actually am a DBA also. I am very familiar with SQL and I love writing out raw SQL. I don't see this as a limiting feature. It doesn't affect me at all. There are ORMs for Go as…
> I come from PHP, where when you sneeze an ORM appears.
YMMD.
Re: Go 1.6 is Released
#85Go checks a lot of boxes for my ideal language for developing web services: Static type, C derived, has garbage collection, generates a single binary, supports concurrency very well, is opinionated, is small/simple, its community prefers to just use standard lib for most work, etc. Yes, Generics is an issue and so is debugging. But, overall, I can't think of many other options that check so many boxes. EDIT: I must h…
Java SE and a fat jar... checks all the boxes and has generics and superior tooling. I still don't get the Go love.
Thank you, I don't get it neither. The delusion in this thread is hard to believe.
Re: Go 1.6 is Released
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
Java doesn't require an IDE either: emacs/Ant/Maven is all I've ever used. Barring specialized platform-specific toolsets (like Android Studio) you don't NEED anything else (you might WANT something else, but that's a separate issue...)
emacs is an IDE wrapped inside half an OS
Don't forget the psychotherapist!
Re: Go 1.6 is Released
#87I upgraded and it broke our app, something to do with the way it handles https has changed, not sure what
yes, they've been asking people to test https for awhile as it now uses http/2
Re: Go 1.6 is Released
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Doesn't attempt to please everyone. Case in point: no OOP or inheritance and no FP. Minimal syntactic sugar.
Not to start a flamewar or anything, but what about clojure (or any lisp for that matter, I just like the CLJ ecosystem) doesn't vibe with your 'minimal syntactic sugar' and other requirements?
Go tends to emphasize the simple, imperative way to get a computational thing done. It goes so far as to never hide a for loop from you. I'm not experienced with lisp, but from reading sicp, it seems to be a paradigm built on creating stacked layers of syntactical sugar (dsls).
Re: Go 1.6 is Released
#89I've been writing some gocode recently and huge chunk of code is
if err != nil ...
I know you can do if ; err!=nil but that not that much better and you end up in deeply nested if blocks.
i have to mentally block out err !=nil to read any gocode linearly. How is this acceptable, I don't get it.
https://blog.golang.org/errors-are-values
We recently scanned all the open source projects we could find and discovered that this snippet occurs only once per page or two
This seems false from my experience, def way more than 1 or 2 instances per page.
Re: Go 1.6 is Released
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
Java SE and a fat jar... checks all the boxes and has generics and superior tooling. I still don't get the Go love.
For me, I like Go's slim profile. Native compilation, aggressive allocation, low memory usage, static compilation. JVM suffers from slow startup times and tends to eat a lot of RAM, even when the app doesn't technically need it around. It has an object model that spawns a bazillion tiny objects, and much of the JVM's GC design exists to cancel out those tiny object allocations. JVM has many upsides (the portability a…
What's your use cases where you've found startup time to be a significant issue?