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Gmailify: The best of Gmail, without an gmail address

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Re: Gmailify: The best of Gmail, without an gmail address

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post #32

So mixed messages again. Is 'Inbox' the next-gen Gmail interface or a hobby project that will get closed down in a year? Momentum has slowed and I've become so dependent on it's workflow I'd be gutted if this was the case. However - I don't believe Google will maintain two email clients in perpetuity. On past experience - they'll fold the functionality of one into the other - partially and imperfectly leaving users i…

I have the same fears but from the opposite end. I need gmail in my life, and cannot understand why anyone would want Inbox at all. It shows my emails (fewer than in gmail) and combines it with a subpar task manager (in a world of subpar task managers) and wrecks on this "smart" categorization system which is just there for devious purposes and most importantly I cannot trust to do it's job properly. I fear for gmail…

Email is a task manager by default; you're kind of forced into it by the fact that people will send you emails that are "actionable" in some way or another. Adding metadata about those emails into some other task-management system would just be redundant. Inbox takes the more sensible approach: presenting the actionable stuff from your inbox as tasks, so you can manage them. Certain emails are tasks either way; Inbox just lets you deal with those using a UX that fits their task-ness.

Personally, I think it would make a lot more sense if there was a clearer separation: emails only showing up in Inbox or Gmail, but not both. Any email that Inbox thinks is/was an actionable "task" should be tagged by Inbox's algorithms as such, and this should hide it from Gmail's default views. Then, you scrub your Inbox for what people want of you—and check your Gmail every once in a while to see what's piled up, but otherwise generally don't worry about it. Gmail would then just contain your non-actionable emails: the stuff where seeing it would never give you an anxiety attack. (It'd still let you do bulk operations to all your messages including the actionable ones, though.)

I think that "messages AI-sorted into separate bins, and then viewed through separate apps, but all in one email database" is actually quite a flexible architecture, and could be taken even further. For one example: email newsletters are another thing that's discrete from regular email†, and has different viewing needs and associated verbs. You could have a Google Reader-like interface that was really just plucking all the newsletters out of your email and displaying them cleverly.

But do note that Gmail would still be there, and still be actively maintained, even if you managed to create fancy abstracted email viewer apps covering the complete gamut of emails people receive. There are many "generic email" tasks that right now only Gmail performs, that Inbox has no plans to add support for: creating filters, adding forwarding accounts, etc. Effectively, Gmail is the "file manager" for your email database, the thing that deals with the unabstracted objects and lets you do maintenance tasks. You can't really throw it away any more than you can throw your file manager away.

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† You know why Google Reader was killed? Because RSS engagement and opt-in and open-rates are much lower than the same metrics concerning email newsletters. Anyone who wanted to make money publishing some regular piece of content cared about these metrics, and so ended up pushing their content as an email newsletter, leaving RSS to be solely the province of amateur personal bloggers. So, more and more, the people with power at Google who cared about consuming content just got it in their email, and generally forgot that RSS was a thing.

(There's a whole rant I could go on here about the fact that RSS was intended to be a supplier-side microformat from the start—a way to ease the burden of syndication to encourage custom blogging software to expose syndicated data—and there was never intended to be such things as "RSS Readers", but rather a much more active ecosystem of plumbing—like, for example, gateways to consume and transform feeds into things like emails. Such plumbing was intended to be employed by the website author, in the same way they'd employ e.g. a reverse-proxy like CloudFlare. RSS was meant to be the internal protocol between the blog and such infrastructure software: like FCGI/WSGI is between web servers and application servers. Picture a world before webhooks, where web servers are dumb and you can't expect to be able to "dial out" a server-side request from your app's crappy VPS; picture the architecture you'd use to hook e.g. Mailgun up to your website in this world. That's RSS.)

Re: Gmailify: The best of Gmail, without an gmail address

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post #32

So mixed messages again. Is 'Inbox' the next-gen Gmail interface or a hobby project that will get closed down in a year? Momentum has slowed and I've become so dependent on it's workflow I'd be gutted if this was the case. However - I don't believe Google will maintain two email clients in perpetuity. On past experience - they'll fold the functionality of one into the other - partially and imperfectly leaving users i…

I have the same fears but from the opposite end. I need gmail in my life, and cannot understand why anyone would want Inbox at all. It shows my emails (fewer than in gmail) and combines it with a subpar task manager (in a world of subpar task managers) and wrecks on this "smart" categorization system which is just there for devious purposes and most importantly I cannot trust to do it's job properly. I fear for gmail…

Meh. I use Inbox, it's my default on all devices. It's pretty smart at filtering out social/ad crap, the search bar is more prominent and works very well, and it's got a nice, simple interface. It's different, but IMO far better.

Re: Gmailify: The best of Gmail, without an gmail address

#83
post #49

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Seems pretty straight forward - pretend you signed up for a Google account and also had that account connect to your other email addresses (Like people have been doing for years, and arguably one of gmail's best features) Now just rebrand it without the visible requirement of having a Google Account. I wouldn't be surprised if you're still getting a Google account in the process, it's just not advertised.

When you go through the sign up flow you can select whether you want to Gmailify your address into an existing or a new Google account. We make it very explicit that all your mails are being copied into Google servers. By the way, while Gmail always has offered ways to just "import" your messages from a third party address, with Gmailify you get a full two way sync, so you can e.g. keep using the Yahoo UI and your ch…

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Re: Gmailify: The best of Gmail, without an gmail address

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post #82

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I have the same fears but from the opposite end. I need gmail in my life, and cannot understand why anyone would want Inbox at all. It shows my emails (fewer than in gmail) and combines it with a subpar task manager (in a world of subpar task managers) and wrecks on this "smart" categorization system which is just there for devious purposes and most importantly I cannot trust to do it's job properly. I fear for gmail…

Meh. I use Inbox, it's my default on all devices. It's pretty smart at filtering out social/ad crap, the search bar is more prominent and works very well, and it's got a nice, simple interface. It's different, but IMO far better.

I use Inbox on mobile and rarely load it in the browser. I spent a few months traveling the world last year and it generally did a great job keeping my travel related emails nicely categorized automatically.

Re: Gmailify: The best of Gmail, without an gmail address

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After reading this I tried to install an exchange account on my gmail app. It asked for a bunch of extra permissions for the specific exchange account, including the permission to "Erase all data" from the telephone, resetting it to factory settings. Not gonna happen. From what I gather those permissions were requested by the exchange server, so my university would be the one to blame. Why a server would ask for this…

"Exchange" (or, specifically, Exchange ActiveSync) is a euphemism; it sounds like a push email service, but it's actually Microsoft's Mobile Device Management[1] service which happens to, among other things, push-sync emails to the devices managed by it. It often gets set up by clueless admins (of universities, say) when what they really want is just plain IMAP.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_device_management

Re: Gmailify: The best of Gmail, without an gmail address

#86
post #65

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Google Apps supports Google Now email-based cards. It needs to be enabled by your Google Apps administrator.

I've heard this before, and as far as I can tell it isn't true. There is an option buried in Device Management that claims to turn on Google Now for Android users but the service it enables is a subset of the full capability of the product. Namely, you get no cards based off of your email inbox. No flight notifications, package tracking, and similar things.

I do.

Re: Gmailify: The best of Gmail, without an gmail address

#87
post #45

I still don't quite understand what's great about Gmail. Everyone goes on and on about how amazing it is, and I'm sitting here having to refresh the page every 5 mins because it won't update, or it's lost a toolbar button. Inbox is worse for me (although I realise probably not for most) because automated emails are usually really important for me as they are telling me something stopped working, but emails from peopl…

Clearly you haven't had the privilege of using Lotus Notes ;-) My anecdotal counterpoint: Gmail is one of the most reliable products I regularly use.

Man, if I could "Gmailify" my Notes inbox (without breaking some IBM proprietary-data rule) that'd be heaven. Verse doesn't come close.

Re: Gmailify: The best of Gmail, without an gmail address

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post #88

One of my aunt uses a yahoo mail account that I periodically maintain for her. It's unbelievable how much spam makes it through their filters. I'm talking about stuff that ends up in your inbox, not your spam folder. I'm looking forward to gmailifying it for her.

OTOH, I get emails sent to my spam box in Gmail despite being replies to messages that I sent to people that I conversed with multiple times before.
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