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Re: Militia Radio Frequencies

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Post by kjs3 »

hga wrote: post #42
jonathankoren wrote: post #32

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> These photos remind me of William Gibson's observations on tactical fashion -- if you are really a militant, then the last thing you'd want to do is look all tactical and stuff. Hear. Hear. The AR-15 segment of gun culture is essentially cosplay. For example, the AR-15 is impractical gun for both home defense (Too long to for hallways. Too powerful for drywall.) and actually illegal to hunt with because the bullets…

The AR-15 segment of gun culture is essentially cosplay. For example, the AR-15 is impractical gun for both home defense (Too long to for hallways. All those who advise and use shotguns disagree, and a short carbine is certainly more manageable than a 20ga or greater shotgun. And they're certainly easier to aim under stress than a handgun, and ideal for bunker tactical situations (e.g. you stay in your bedroom waitin…

All points offered with no supporting evidence. Might as well have said "I read on some website".

Re: Militia Radio Frequencies

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Post by craigmcnamara »

sithadmin wrote: post #24
nathanm412 wrote: post #20

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Assault weapon is colloquially defined as a firearm with a detachable magazine and a pistol grip. I've seen this definition in common use going back 30 years, whether or not it helps anyone's political ideals. A thorough discussion of the definition and it's history can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon

>Assault weapon is colloquially defined as a firearm with a detachable magazine and a pistol grip. Rifle. Not firearm. Otherwise every pistol that isn't a muzzle/breech loader or revolver is an 'assault weapon', which is makes the distinction even more functionally useless.

Isn't a handgun just a gun made to make assaulting another human easier?

Re: Militia Radio Frequencies

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Post by RyJones »

hga wrote: post #42
jonathankoren wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> These photos remind me of William Gibson's observations on tactical fashion -- if you are really a militant, then the last thing you'd want to do is look all tactical and stuff. Hear. Hear. The AR-15 segment of gun culture is essentially cosplay. For example, the AR-15 is impractical gun for both home defense (Too long to for hallways. Too powerful for drywall.) and actually illegal to hunt with because the bullets…

The AR-15 segment of gun culture is essentially cosplay. For example, the AR-15 is impractical gun for both home defense (Too long to for hallways. All those who advise and use shotguns disagree, and a short carbine is certainly more manageable than a 20ga or greater shotgun. And they're certainly easier to aim under stress than a handgun, and ideal for bunker tactical situations (e.g. you stay in your bedroom waitin…

The data you seek on penetration is on The Box of Truth. I am on a phone or I would link directly to it, but here is the website.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/tag/original-chapters/

Re: Militia Radio Frequencies

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Post by hga »

RyJones wrote: post #83
hga wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The AR-15 segment of gun culture is essentially cosplay. For example, the AR-15 is impractical gun for both home defense (Too long to for hallways. All those who advise and use shotguns disagree, and a short carbine is certainly more manageable than a 20ga or greater shotgun. And they're certainly easier to aim under stress than a handgun, and ideal for bunker tactical situations (e.g. you stay in your bedroom waitin…

The data you seek on penetration is on The Box of Truth. I am on a phone or I would link directly to it, but here is the website. http://www.theboxotruth.com/tag/original-chapters/

Thanks, although it's not data I seek.

Handguns have a lot of advantages in home defense, such as maneuverability and much better retention if things get up close and personal (the lever arm of a long gun is necessarily much longer, an adversary can grab it outside of your grasp and twist it out of your hands, as I demonstrated to my stronger and fitter nephew before he went to college, a bit to his surprise).

Re: Militia Radio Frequencies

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Post by hga »

craigmcnamara wrote: post #82
sithadmin wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Assault weapon is colloquially defined as a firearm with a detachable magazine and a pistol grip. Rifle. Not firearm. Otherwise every pistol that isn't a muzzle/breech loader or revolver is an 'assault weapon', which is makes the distinction even more functionally useless.

Isn't a handgun just a gun made to make assaulting another human easier?

Not at all. They're akin to a first aid kit, not what you'd choose to have if you know you're going into combat, but something you can much more often have with you because of their compactness and much lighter weight. More than 10 million Americans have concealed carry licenses, with their numbers growing by more than a million a year, and we demonstrably aren't carrying them "to make assaulting another human easier", unless you'd modify that as "counter-assaulting".

In the most dire situation they're a tool in a crisis to allow you to get to your long gun.

More generally, "assault weapon" a long time ago meant things like track mounted artillery designed for offensive roles, and as noted by others was more recently coined and defined by US gun grabbers as a purely political term.

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Post by eaandkw »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #52
hga wrote: post #42

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The AR-15 segment of gun culture is essentially cosplay. For example, the AR-15 is impractical gun for both home defense (Too long to for hallways. All those who advise and use shotguns disagree, and a short carbine is certainly more manageable than a 20ga or greater shotgun. And they're certainly easier to aim under stress than a handgun, and ideal for bunker tactical situations (e.g. you stay in your bedroom waitin…

> Plenty of people have used AR-15 pattern rifles in self-defense, inside and outside the home. Genuinely curious: when have people used an AR-15 rifle outside for self-defense?

An AR-10 (7.62) would be an excellent hunting rifle. It would be quicker and easier to take follow on shots if you miss or only wound the animal.

Re: Militia Radio Frequencies

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Post by eaandkw »

hga wrote: post #84
RyJones wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The data you seek on penetration is on The Box of Truth. I am on a phone or I would link directly to it, but here is the website. http://www.theboxotruth.com/tag/original-chapters/

Thanks, although it's not data I seek. Handguns have a lot of advantages in home defense, such as maneuverability and much better retention if things get up close and personal (the lever arm of a long gun is necessarily much longer, an adversary can grab it outside of your grasp and twist it out of your hands, as I demonstrated to my stronger and fitter nephew before he went to college, a bit to his surprise).

A handgun is surprisingly difficult to shoot accurately past 7 meters in a life or death situation. Look at all of the stories of police shooting up to one hundred rounds at a suspect and still missing them.

Re: Militia Radio Frequencies

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Post by hga »

eaandkw wrote: post #87
hga wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks, although it's not data I seek. Handguns have a lot of advantages in home defense, such as maneuverability and much better retention if things get up close and personal (the lever arm of a long gun is necessarily much longer, an adversary can grab it outside of your grasp and twist it out of your hands, as I demonstrated to my stronger and fitter nephew before he went to college, a bit to his surprise).

A handgun is surprisingly difficult to shoot accurately past 7 meters in a life or death situation. Look at all of the stories of police shooting up to one hundred rounds at a suspect and still missing them.

Police aren't a good example for talking about civilian handgun marksmanship:

They are under an obligation to use their guns in many situations a civilian wouldn't, or could trivially avoid (either by not being in that sort of place, or safely retreating).

Few get much training or practice, and this is particular true for ant-gun Blue cities, with NYC being the extreme case of having extinguished its gun culture and the force being run by hoplophobes at critical times (details on request, but that includes police who care about marksmanship having a difficult time practicing on their own).

They simply don't pay any serious penalty beyond maybe their city paying a civil settlement for such examples, usually of contagious fire, which also simply can't be a problem in the usual civilian self-defense case where only one good guy has a gun. If we civilians were to pull those sort of stunts, we'd rightfully end up in prison.

They seem to be more prone to completely lose their shit like with Chris Dorner, which caused one of those cases against two total innocents in a pickup truck that bore little resemblance to Dorner's, except it being a pickup truck. And, again in a Blue part of the country.

7 meters is way too long as a general metric for this domain, as of ... the '70s or '80s the average distance for police use of handguns was 7 feet. 7 meters is 23 feet, which is close to the Tueller Drill 21 feet metric, and is a distance you'll find in home defense, but it still generally works out for civilians defending themselves in their homes. And weapons retention doesn't become an issue until an adversary closes the distance, which per the Tueller drill gives you an opportunity to fire a shot or three if you've already got your gun out and pointed.

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Post by pavel_lishin »

hga wrote: post #67
laotzu wrote: post #59

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Against zombies

Maybe by virtue of being on drugs, but it's a real thing, try for example: https://www.google.com/search?q=ar+15+used+in+self+defense or substitute home for self.

With the exception of the LA riots, every result I'm finding talks about home defense.

Re: Militia Radio Frequencies

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Post by pavel_lishin »

eaandkw wrote: post #86
pavel_lishin wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Plenty of people have used AR-15 pattern rifles in self-defense, inside and outside the home. Genuinely curious: when have people used an AR-15 rifle outside for self-defense?

An AR-10 (7.62) would be an excellent hunting rifle. It would be quicker and easier to take follow on shots if you miss or only wound the animal.

Did you know that the mating habits of deer include digging a small hole, peeing in it, and covering themselves in the resulting pee-mud?

Not really relevant to this conversation, but neither was your answer.

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