Anyone else try drag/drop BPG? Didn't work for me. GIF thrives despite flaws because works everywhere, easy to use, remix, and above all: easy to share.
Why BPG will replace GIFs and more
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Re: Why BPG will replace GIFs and more
#82anyone else misread this as BGP by accident ?
Re: Why BPG will replace GIFs and more
#83Implementing an image format via JS is cool, but I'm not sure what the use-case is for this format that isn't already covered (and supported in browsers) by other formats. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APNG should be a better alternative for GIF-like images (including transparency and low bit depth), and MP4 + H.265 should be the alternative for movie-like content. For most platforms, you might even get decoding supp…
> [APNG] should be a better alternative for GIF-like images (including transparency and low bit depth), and MP4 + H.265 should be the alternative for movie-like content. H.264/H.265 are good for both Gif-like and movie-like content. Bandwidth isn't cheap. Although APNG has inter-frame compression, it is nowhere near as sophisticated as H.265 let alone H.264. If I want animation, why would I use a format that puts a b…
Do content providers have to pay certain royalties with h.264? I thought the players were free of royalties and the license was paid for encoded content. And then with h.265 I thought I heard that there were two different license pools with different licensing strategies.
I'm not sure that meme generators have royalties very high on their list of concerns, the big hosts that host a lot of them might have some concerns about it though.
At this point, a newer webP based off the newer VP10 might be the only realistic PNG, GIF, and JPEG replacement but it doesn't exist yet.
Re: Why BPG will replace GIFs and more
#84Re: Why BPG will replace GIFs and more
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
> [APNG] should be a better alternative for GIF-like images (including transparency and low bit depth), and MP4 + H.265 should be the alternative for movie-like content. H.264/H.265 are good for both Gif-like and movie-like content. Bandwidth isn't cheap. Although APNG has inter-frame compression, it is nowhere near as sophisticated as H.265 let alone H.264. If I want animation, why would I use a format that puts a b…
Do content providers have to pay certain royalties with h.264? I thought the players were free of royalties and the license was paid for encoded content. And then with h.265 I thought I heard that there were two different license pools with different licensing strategies. I'm not sure that meme generators have royalties very high on their list of concerns, the big hosts that host a lot of them might have some concern…
For H.264 it's the opposite (for web content), only the players need to pay royalties.
For H.265, both need to pay royalties, which depend on the business model. The licensing terms are pretty much totally unsuited for usage as a still image format. And yes, there are multiple pools and you have to pay all of them.
Re: Why BPG will replace GIFs and more
#86If there is one thing history has taught us, it's that it's not always the technically best solution that wins in the long run.
Re: Why BPG will replace GIFs and more
#87BPG is basically HVEC, so why not just use HVEC? its a serious question, in 2 years HVEC decoders will be in all hardware. Which means fast, energy efficient decoders on virtually all platforms. Having a seperate codec, which is basically a less capable version of an industry standard, whats the point? (ignoring the still images part for a second.)
HEVC, yes. But is a BPG animation the same as an HEVC video, or is it a sequence of BPG frames? The BPG standard[1] says P-slices are used, but not B-slices... [1] sec 3.3 http://bellard.org/bpg/bpg_spec.txt
right, how is that useful? thats my point, how does that give you something more useful than HVEC it's self.
Re: Why BPG will replace GIFs and more
#88Right-click save as... oh. Not so much. View source, CTRL-F and... https://eek.ro/assets/bpg/ambition.bpg Kind of inconvenient. Not to mention it's a blank white empty space in Firefox, and probably anywhere else not currently supporting the format.
Some would call inability to save a feature, like copy protection by accident
Re: Why BPG will replace GIFs and more
#89you can't pronounce BPG like GIF, so I can't see a future for it.
Bee-Peg
Re: Why BPG will replace GIFs and more
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Gif lags on mobile internet, and MP4 requires that we explicitly hit the play button on mobile browsers. Wouldn't the more obvious choice be simply adding an option in browsers to not require hitting the play button (perhaps for MP4 that has no sound)? Even with browser support for BPG, MP4 has the huge advantage of hardware acceleration in almost all modern devices[1]. [1] In theory, BPG may be able to take advant…
Honestly, I view the need to hit the play button as the right user-experience. Sure, a user-defined option to turn that off would be cool, but I'd never use it. I wish GIFs had that option as well, actually
> I wish GIFs had that option as well, actually
They do, in Firefox! http://kb.mozillazine.org/Firefox_:_Tips_:_Animated_Images
(I know this is really late, but HN has been really aggressive about "submitting too fast" lately, and a half hour's wait didn't convince it to let me try again.)