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I feel obliged to share a lifehack my mother taught me regarding the laundry. After removing the laundry, take your t-shirts and stretch them yourself, one by one, when they're still slightly wet. Grab them with two hands symmetrically, stretch horizontally, moving your hands down along the shirt. Do the same vertically, and with the sleeves. Do not use a machine dryer, just a regular standing dryer like [1]. Put you…

> I feel obliged to share a lifehack my mother taught me regarding the laundry. After removing the laundry, take your t-shirts and stretch them yourself, one by one, when they're still slightly wet. Grab them with two hands symmetrically, stretch horizontally, moving your hands down along the shirt. Do the same vertically, and with the sleeves.

Interesting, I never considered this a hack. Noone told me this, but I always do it. Ironing is never needed. I do it with pants too.

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Awesome work. Small nit: wish the average values were shown as colored dashed vertical lines.

I own an online apparel company that I launched on HN three years ago, but before this, I built tech companies, so maybe I can weigh in with what I've found (and have been really surprised by).

Fit is almost a philosophical decision. Most companies only have five sizes (XS-XL) and the goal is probably to accommodate as large of a % of your customer base as you can with each of those five sizes. Most designers either use themselves to build their sizing from, or use a fit model, someone that literally is paid to stay the same size year round and give input on the fit.

After the decision on who, exactly, you want to design to, you need to decide how the individual garment should fit. eg. some streetwear might have a 4" longer shirt from the high point shoulder than mine, if they like that long, baggy look. Some styles, like James Perse, may want a laid back, beach vibe, or cater to an older demo that might want a more forgiving shirt, so they'll want a few extra inches around the waist.

In our case, I'm a very consistent medium -- almost every brand I'd expect my friends to buy from fits me well at a medium -- so I tailored our shirts to myself. We then started with what is a fairly standard grade rule to go up and down the sizes, and then after many, many batches, fine tuned each size to feedback from our customers.

So -- a lot going on. There is no way to standardize what a "medium" is across brands (and some companies don't even use the same terminology!)

The frustrating part, as a consumer, however, is when a brand doesn't have consistency between batches of the same style, colors within the same style, or between styles!! eg. I have a pair of Levis (huge fan..) on right now that I have the same exact wash, and style, but the 31 waist is MUCH bigger than the 32 waist. In this case, they were probably sewn in different factories, and they don't have tight enough tolerances in QC, or something. Between styles happen because a big company like Nike, for instance, may have 100 designers, who may not want to re-use design elements/blocks from one style to the next - and would prefer to fit / design their new tee how they see fit. But as a consumer, I expect all Nike medium shirts to fit the same, so that is frustrating.

Turns out, sewing things by hand, and dying, pre-shrinking natural fabrics, etc. is really hard. We've been working on our processes for three years, and are incredibly proud of what we've built... but we learn new ways to improve every day!

Re: T-Shirts Unravelled

#83
This is excellent. Independent, consumer-empowering size analysis, especially measured over extended wear and washing. I'll be following you.

I wonder if there are any companies that sell inexpensive custom t-shirts? Provide your measurements, specify desired fit, neck type, color, and fabric, and order exactly what you want.

As someone very hard to fit for pants (28" waist and cyclist thighs), I would be thrilled if you also do this for jeans and shorts.

Re: T-Shirts Unravelled

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I feel obliged to share a lifehack my mother taught me regarding the laundry. After removing the laundry, take your t-shirts and stretch them yourself, one by one, when they're still slightly wet. Grab them with two hands symmetrically, stretch horizontally, moving your hands down along the shirt. Do the same vertically, and with the sleeves. Do not use a machine dryer, just a regular standing dryer like [1]. Put you…

A similar hack I learned to avoid ironing:

Just before hanging them, while they are still wet:

Grab each t-shirt from the top with both hands, then do a couple of violent whip-like movements. This has the same effect of stretching the fabric so that no ironing is needed.

Re: T-Shirts Unravelled

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The most important thing I learned from this page was that American Apparel sizes small. Since 3/4s of all my shirts are startup shirts and most of those are AA, this is good to know.

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How did you actually do the measuring? The "manufacturing variance" chart jumped out at me as looking fairly unnatural: there's a variation in width or variation in length but very little points that mix. Then I noticed that we're talking about just over half an inch in each direction. How much of this effect is variation in your measurement?

There's a standard process we have for measuring each item. The goal is to flatten the shirt without pulling on the material.

Measuring clothing is really, really hard to do in a consistent way. In my original plan for the project, I was going to hire 5 task rabbits to measure everything, then throw out the min and max and take the median of the remaining three numbers. It didn't work. The average taskrabbit had a standard deviation of error of 0.3" for each shirt. That might have been OK if the errors were purely random, but there was a lot of systematic error as well.

Eventually I was able to find two people who could provide consistent measurements. They were within 0.1" of my measurement for each item. When there was a difference of more than 0.1" we would remeasure the shirt. In general I feel good about the data we published.

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I feel obliged to share a lifehack my mother taught me regarding the laundry. After removing the laundry, take your t-shirts and stretch them yourself, one by one, when they're still slightly wet. Grab them with two hands symmetrically, stretch horizontally, moving your hands down along the shirt. Do the same vertically, and with the sleeves. Do not use a machine dryer, just a regular standing dryer like [1]. Put you…

> I feel obliged to share a lifehack my mother taught me regarding the laundry. After removing the laundry, take your t-shirts and stretch them yourself, one by one, when they're still slightly wet. Grab them with two hands symmetrically, stretch horizontally, moving your hands down along the shirt. Do the same vertically, and with the sleeves. Interesting, I never considered this a hack. Noone told me this, but I al…

I didn't consider it a hack until I've seen a friend of mine having stuff thrown carelessly on the dryer, everything unpleasantly crumpled

Re: T-Shirts Unravelled

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I feel obliged to share a lifehack my mother taught me regarding the laundry. After removing the laundry, take your t-shirts and stretch them yourself, one by one, when they're still slightly wet. Grab them with two hands symmetrically, stretch horizontally, moving your hands down along the shirt. Do the same vertically, and with the sleeves. Do not use a machine dryer, just a regular standing dryer like [1]. Put you…

I've been using the same technique for a while and it's working quite well. Unfortunately, it's only for tee-shirts and not shirts, so the iron is still required from times to times.

Re: T-Shirts Unravelled

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This is excellent. Independent, consumer-empowering size analysis, especially measured over extended wear and washing. I'll be following you. I wonder if there are any companies that sell inexpensive custom t-shirts? Provide your measurements, specify desired fit, neck type, color, and fabric, and order exactly what you want. As someone very hard to fit for pants (28" waist and cyclist thighs), I would be thrilled if…

We've thought about doing made-to-order tees before, but at the end of the day, since we sew in Los Angeles, they'd end up being like $75 each for a custom pattern.

There are some companies that have done tees and polos though - Polos - VASTRM. Button ups - Blank Label, Pacific Issue, Proper Cloth. Tees - SonofaTailor, Threadmason.

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post #88
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I feel obliged to share a lifehack my mother taught me regarding the laundry. After removing the laundry, take your t-shirts and stretch them yourself, one by one, when they're still slightly wet. Grab them with two hands symmetrically, stretch horizontally, moving your hands down along the shirt. Do the same vertically, and with the sleeves. Do not use a machine dryer, just a regular standing dryer like [1]. Put you…

I've been using the same technique for a while and it's working quite well. Unfortunately, it's only for tee-shirts and not shirts, so the iron is still required from times to times.

Yep, that's true, it doesn't work that well for some shirts, but it depends on each model. The variance in shirts is bigger than in t-shirts.
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