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Re: Theranos Wellness Centers Aren’t Using “Nanotainers” at This Time

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Post by sandGorgon »

TTPrograms wrote: post #80
sandGorgon wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this something innovative? In india, i just paid 90$ and got 14 different tests including tumor markers tested for. The blood was collected at home (and then sent to a central testing facility). Unless, it is radically new technology... I'm curious on the value proposition here.

The blood was collected at home? As in the patients draw vials of their own blood?

no - there's a dude who comes with this very interesting sealed testtube (with a rubber seal on top) and a kind of gel inside. He takes the blood out (labor is cheap in India!)

You have to remember that Delhi easily exceeds 115 degrees fahrenheit in summer. this gel is supposed to stabilize the blood for upto 48 hours and it is shipped across the country to Mumbai where there is this massive test lab which does all the tests I have paid for.

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TTPrograms wrote: post #80
sandGorgon wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this something innovative? In india, i just paid 90$ and got 14 different tests including tumor markers tested for. The blood was collected at home (and then sent to a central testing facility). Unless, it is radically new technology... I'm curious on the value proposition here.

The blood was collected at home? As in the patients draw vials of their own blood?

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Re: Theranos Wellness Centers Aren’t Using “Nanotainers” at This Time

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Post by sandGorgon »

dpim wrote: post #72
adevine wrote: post #59

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https://www.anylabtestnow.com . Unfortunately, the tests are quite expensive. I believe they need to basically get a BS prescription for the tests, which adds to the expense. Theranos specifically lobbied Arizona to get the law changed so that consumers could order their own tests. I hope other states follow suit, and I hope the Theranos drama doesn't make other states think this is a bad idea.

In a previous Theranos thread, someone made the comment that there are dangers to allowing consumers to access tests and test data without interpretation or prescription by a doctor. Results can be misleading without context and could lead to rash and adverse health decisions. Not sure if I agree 100%, but it seems like a valid concern.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but we have this in India. It breaks the Pope-like power that doctors have to talk to god.

BTW, It is a huge shock to me that I cannot buy contact lenses without a prescription in USA. Seriously ?

Re: Theranos Wellness Centers Aren’t Using “Nanotainers” at This Time

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Post by eruditely »

codezero wrote: post #61
randycupertino wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's because Theranos with it's pretty blonde Stanford dropout founder was an absolute media darling for 7 months to a year, could do no wrong, had heaps of fawning puff piece press. Now that their questionable tech has come to light, the press feels burned and is vengeful of being caught giving them a blowjob without due diligence. So now the media swings the opposite way and lashes out at Theranos to overcompensate…

again, why does the attractiveness and hair color of the founder have anything to do with this discussion?

Your vigilance is cringe inducing. please stop.

Re: Theranos Wellness Centers Aren’t Using “Nanotainers” at This Time

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Post by DanBC »

beagle3 wrote: post #76
dpim wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a previous Theranos thread, someone made the comment that there are dangers to allowing consumers to access tests and test data without interpretation or prescription by a doctor. Results can be misleading without context and could lead to rash and adverse health decisions. Not sure if I agree 100%, but it seems like a valid concern.

There is no reason to speculate - just compare to countries that have these. in many countries, you can get almost any test you want without a doctor. There are very few tests that require a doctor or trained professional to give you the results (hiv, hep-c) - essentially those with prognosis (whether real or perceived) that has grim future. You CAN still do the tests on your own in these cases, but not directly get…

In countries that allow self requested testing we see more people taking thyroid.

Not a synthetic hormone, actual bits of ground up pig thyroid.

Here's one UK doctor who rejects the current science around thyroid function:

http://drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Thyroid_-_the_correct_prescribing...

And she mentions another doctor: Dr Kenneth Blanchard

Neither of these doctors can work for the NHS. They have to work privately.

So, explain how "it's all about money" here? Who makes money by preventing her from taking NHS patients and mis-prescribing them thyroxine?

If you pooe around her site you see she'll happily point you toward providers of blood tests, and she'll interpret the results for you, and on the back of her interpretation she'll sell you some bullshit "miracle minerals mix" to cure anything.

Re: Theranos Wellness Centers Aren’t Using “Nanotainers” at This Time

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Post by DanBC »

codezero wrote: post #61
randycupertino wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's because Theranos with it's pretty blonde Stanford dropout founder was an absolute media darling for 7 months to a year, could do no wrong, had heaps of fawning puff piece press. Now that their questionable tech has come to light, the press feels burned and is vengeful of being caught giving them a blowjob without due diligence. So now the media swings the opposite way and lashes out at Theranos to overcompensate…

again, why does the attractiveness and hair color of the founder have anything to do with this discussion?

Her looks are mentioned here because her looks were mentioned in all the early promotional coverage. Her looks are not relevant here, but the fact that every media place that spoke about theranos also mentioned her looks is on topic in threads about theranos.

Re: Theranos Wellness Centers Aren’t Using “Nanotainers” at This Time

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Post by firasd »

DanBC wrote: post #85
beagle3 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no reason to speculate - just compare to countries that have these. in many countries, you can get almost any test you want without a doctor. There are very few tests that require a doctor or trained professional to give you the results (hiv, hep-c) - essentially those with prognosis (whether real or perceived) that has grim future. You CAN still do the tests on your own in these cases, but not directly get…

In countries that allow self requested testing we see more people taking thyroid. Not a synthetic hormone, actual bits of ground up pig thyroid. Here's one UK doctor who rejects the current science around thyroid function: http://drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Thyroid_-_the_correct_prescribing... And she mentions another doctor: Dr Kenneth Blanchard Neither of these doctors can work for the NHS. They have to work privately. So,…

It doesn't make sense to me to restrict access to common diagnostic information based on the risk of people attempting treatments not approved by the NHS. The potential list is endless: Weighing machines, because some people are anorexic. Glucose monitors, because some people might not understand how to manage their blood sugar. Mirrors, because someone might misinterpret the discoloration of their tongue.

I would suggest it is a basic civil liberty to be allowed to know about the nature of the blood pumping through your own veins.

Re: Theranos Wellness Centers Aren’t Using “Nanotainers” at This Time

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Post by Pyxl101 »

SilasX wrote: post #45
Pyxl101 wrote: post #40

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I agree with the GP on this one that most of those points are not shady. Point #1 is bogus: if you're already doing a venous draw then why do another separate test as well? That's just good sense. The other points don't especially surprise me either. They seem mostly like either just a cautious response to learning she's a reporter or even standard practice. Many above-board companies who are cautious about their pre…

>Point #1 is bogus: if you're already doing a venous draw then why do another separate test as well? That's just good sense. Note what followed in point 2 (and what I should have added on 1 but for being too repetitive): when you do ask for just that test, suddenly it's not available! >Unfortunately the piece does not include a detail that it would have been really useful to know, which is what happens if you walk in…

In asking for that specific test, she disclosed that she was a reporter conducting a surprise investigation into the company. That would reasonably freak out a company in Theranos' position, especially low level employees who might have heard they should be careful about reporters but don't know exactly what to do. It's hard to draw conclusions from the story. We'd have learned more if she had asked for that one test alone for which they use finger prick.

Re: Theranos Wellness Centers Aren’t Using “Nanotainers” at This Time

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Post by codezero »

eruditely wrote: post #84
codezero wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

again, why does the attractiveness and hair color of the founder have anything to do with this discussion?

Your vigilance is cringe inducing. please stop.

You're welcome not to answer questions I ask. I'm not breaking any rules in asking them here in a community where I often get extremely insightful answers to questions. I'm happy to admit ignorance about a lot of the startup drama I read here. I'm sorry this rubs you the wrong way.

Re: Theranos Wellness Centers Aren’t Using “Nanotainers” at This Time

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Post by beagle3 »

DanBC wrote: post #85
beagle3 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no reason to speculate - just compare to countries that have these. in many countries, you can get almost any test you want without a doctor. There are very few tests that require a doctor or trained professional to give you the results (hiv, hep-c) - essentially those with prognosis (whether real or perceived) that has grim future. You CAN still do the tests on your own in these cases, but not directly get…

In countries that allow self requested testing we see more people taking thyroid. Not a synthetic hormone, actual bits of ground up pig thyroid. Here's one UK doctor who rejects the current science around thyroid function: http://drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Thyroid_-_the_correct_prescribing... And she mentions another doctor: Dr Kenneth Blanchard Neither of these doctors can work for the NHS. They have to work privately. So,…

It's all about the money. I want to get CBC and blood chemistry. Why do I need to have a doctor take 75-200 USD to make the request for me? When everything is fine, he has zero input. When something is off, I may know how to interpret myself, or I might go to the doctor.

I don't understand your logic - it's equivalent, e.g. To making me convince a financial advisor about any transaction I want to make, and pay him for the privilege of sending the order to the broker instead of me. It will equally help some people who have no idea or business doing what they do - and is totally incompatible with western ideals and practices.

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