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What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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Re: What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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Post by d23 »

wernercd wrote: post #56
tarr11 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The characterization was that Sanders is "Saturnine" while Clinton is circling the wagons and counterattacking. Clinton said that she was ready to move on from this, while Sanders is looking for an investigation. Since there's nothing else to discover about the Sanders campaign, the public and repeated calls for investigation is presumably to find a smoking gun to prosecute the Clinton campaign, the DNC and the data…

As if the public needs a smoking gun when the Clinton is surrounded by scandals from A to Z. It amazes me that Sanders isn't going guns-a-blazing with all the Scandals and Corruption that emanates from the Clinton name brand. Why look for the needle in a haystack when you have a stack of needles sitting next to the haystack?

The problem is our politicians have a nasty habit of overplaying their hand on every. single. "scandal." It starts to sound like the boy who cried wolf. Every time a new one pops up, it's hard to tell whether it is of substance or just another game of political football. It makes sense that after two decades of attacks on their name, the public is a little more hesitant to be riled up.

Re: What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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Post by wetmore »

tarr11 wrote: post #54
SolarNet wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can he when the company in question and the DNC are both for Hillary. How can they know if there is evidence with out the cooperation of those entities. Hence why they are suing to gain access to those records.

The characterization was that Sanders is "Saturnine" while Clinton is circling the wagons and counterattacking. Clinton said that she was ready to move on from this, while Sanders is looking for an investigation. Since there's nothing else to discover about the Sanders campaign, the public and repeated calls for investigation is presumably to find a smoking gun to prosecute the Clinton campaign, the DNC and the data…

>The characterization was that Sanders is "Saturnine"

The characterization was of Obama, not Sanders. Or at least that's what the post says right now.

Re: What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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Post by wetmore »

sandworm101 wrote: post #80
Lambent_Cactus wrote: post #44

Really disappointed they went with the bloodless "Datagate" when "VANghazi" was available.

Watergate involved wrongdoing by republican staffers. Bengazi (allegedly) involved wrongdoing by democrats. So there is little debate as to which descriptor a democrat would adopt to attack a fellow democrat. But the use of "gate" does show the age of the candidates. I'd bet most under 30s in the US do not link 'gate' with watergate.

> I'd bet most under 30s in the US do not link 'gate' with watergate

Doubt it. I'm 24. First of all, we obviously learned about Watergate in high school history. Moreover, ever since Watergate happened, people have been overusing the "gate" suffix. Just look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scandals_with_%22-gate...

Re: What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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Post by platz »

> The two essential scores are those for support — how likely the voter is to be supportive of the candidate — and “turnout” — how likely the person is to vote (the product of these terms being the likelihood that they turn out and vote for the campaign’s candidate).

Is there an assumption then that Support and Turnout are statistically Independent?

Re: What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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Post by MaysonL »

wernercd wrote: post #56
tarr11 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The characterization was that Sanders is "Saturnine" while Clinton is circling the wagons and counterattacking. Clinton said that she was ready to move on from this, while Sanders is looking for an investigation. Since there's nothing else to discover about the Sanders campaign, the public and repeated calls for investigation is presumably to find a smoking gun to prosecute the Clinton campaign, the DNC and the data…

As if the public needs a smoking gun when the Clinton is surrounded by scandals from A to Z. It amazes me that Sanders isn't going guns-a-blazing with all the Scandals and Corruption that emanates from the Clinton name brand. Why look for the needle in a haystack when you have a stack of needles sitting next to the haystack?

All the accusations of Scandals and Corruption that emanate from the Republican echo chamber.

There, ftfy.

Re: What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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Post by MaysonL »

olefoo wrote: post #63
yaur wrote: post #50

The thing I don't understand here... How you can you write a multitenant app where protecting an EAV store is a critical feature and not have tests that validate that your security still works that run before every deploy.

If you live and breathe good software engineering practices; it's sometimes hard to realize that the actual practice in industry varies wildly. From shops where everything flows through the CI server to shops where whoever last pushed to production is the source of all user visible bugs... I have; within the last 6 months, dealt with a team that was reluctant to adopt version control and for whom 'push to production'…

A few decades ago I worked at a place where the master source code lived in a tape filing cabinet, accessible to nearly anyone.

Re: What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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Post by CamperBob2 »

randomflavor wrote: post #16

This should be used as an example of why the NSA's capturing of 'metadata' is really a problem. It's basically the same thing and is a big deal. Sucks that Uretsky couldn't help himself to get a sense of what the Clinton camp was thinking tho

Another point worth making: this is the same type of (meta) data that we use to target drone strikes.

Anyone who says metadata is harmless hasn't been paying attention for quite some time.

Re: What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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Post by lliamander »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #71
dcre wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For more info, here is a great writeup by Alex Payne on why he made a large donation to Jacobin and joined their board: https://al3x.net/2015/03/03/jacobin.html > Democratic socialist politics are my politics. I’m a socialist because I want to live in a just society. More than that, I want to live in a survivable society. The form of capitalism we live under does not present a viable future ecologically, economically…

And moreover, people who support capitalism don't get an automatic right to label socialists as "murderous" or "genocidal" simply because our revolutions kill people up front . Sure, blame us for the Holodomor and the "Great Leap Forward" (and other similar artificial famines, disease outbreaks, etc caused by bad state-socialist policy), but don't act like your hands are clean when you support a system that kills, la…

> And moreover, people who support capitalism don't get an automatic right to label socialists as "murderous" or "genocidal" simply because our revolutions kill people up front.

Um... that is exactly why we call them murderous. Because they killed people. A lot of them. In cold blood.

Re: What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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Post by wmil »

sandworm101 wrote: post #45

Lol, one of fields in the VAN database is "Zodiac Sign". Americans are weird.

They're probably trying to track teens who are involved politically. They want to know when they turn 18. Asking for a Zodiac Sign is less creepy than asking for a birthday.
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