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The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by skykooler »

imgeohot wrote: post #53
hias wrote: post #26

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Yes, but what if his system suddenly decides to turn hard right for no reason while driving fast and he runs into another car, human, tree, whatever and he has no chance to react quickly enough? This is different to a PS3 crashing because he made some error.

The steering is massively torque limited by the car's EPS module(5x lower limit than Tesla). It can't turn hard right, it can lazily list to the right, giving you tons of time to react. I actually have put a lot of thought into safety :)

How do you train it for emergency situations (i.e. a car suddenly turning left in front of you)? I'd imagine it would be hard to get many of those in the training data set.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by YooLi »

mikeg8 wrote: post #71
josefresco wrote: post #61

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I wish I could upvote this more. A person in their 20's knows nothing, but thinks they've outsmarted the world. It's not until your 30's that you realize how big of an idiot you were/are and how much of the world you actually understand (read: little).

This whole: "Twenty year olds don't know shit but 30 year olds are so enlightened" sentiment needs to stop. I agree that many younger people think they understand more than they do but that's just part of growing up and we all go through it.

You are misunderstanding the sentiment. No one is saying 30 year olds know everything, they are saying 30 year olds _realize_ they don't know everything.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by [deleted] »

mikeg8 wrote: post #71
josefresco wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish I could upvote this more. A person in their 20's knows nothing, but thinks they've outsmarted the world. It's not until your 30's that you realize how big of an idiot you were/are and how much of the world you actually understand (read: little).

This whole: "Twenty year olds don't know shit but 30 year olds are so enlightened" sentiment needs to stop. I agree that many younger people think they understand more than they do but that's just part of growing up and we all go through it.

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Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by skj »

mwnz wrote: post #70
jaybosamiya wrote: post #44

> The last people with jobs will be AI programmers Geohotz makes a decent point. The way the industrial revolution reduced manual labour, and made thinkers and tinkerers much more valuable, the advent of AI (true AI, mind you, not the tiny stuff that we currently assume) might actually make us obsolete. It is a peaceful and yet terrifying thought.

How on earth is this a peaceful thought?

I don't see any reason why I'd love my (true-AI) artificial children any less than my real children :)

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by starkness »

Nav_Panel wrote: post #35
hias wrote: post #30

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I doubt this is meant for single individuals instead of a company. I also doubt it is allowed without prior notice.

If he wanted to be a company instead of an individual for legal purposes, he could probably incorporate in his own name fairly easily.

He has a company: http://comma.ai.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by Cyph0n »

blinkingled wrote: post #64
Jonovono wrote: post #23

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Ok cool, you find one of them enjoyable. He (subject of the article) finds them both terrible.

Yes, anyone can find anything enjoyable or terrible - but the point I was trying to make was that most hackers enjoy bug fixing by nature and Geohot seems to be exceptional that he despises bug fixing as mundane.

Hackers enjoy bug finding or simply building new stuff. Why would they like fixing bugs? Why would any developer enjoy it for that matter? Yes, it's something necessary that all developers should know how to do, but that doesn't make it enjoyable.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by politician »

If a self-driving car is designed around neural networks, then does that remove the liability dilemma introduced when such a car is involved in an accident? The car panicked and crashed.

If we could move the liability to the car itself, then maybe we could just add the car to its own insurance policy, you know, as if it were a dependent, like a teenage driver.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by sangnoir »

mikeg8 wrote: post #71
josefresco wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish I could upvote this more. A person in their 20's knows nothing, but thinks they've outsmarted the world. It's not until your 30's that you realize how big of an idiot you were/are and how much of the world you actually understand (read: little).

This whole: "Twenty year olds don't know shit but 30 year olds are so enlightened" sentiment needs to stop. I agree that many younger people think they understand more than they do but that's just part of growing up and we all go through it.

Why does it need to stop if you agree that its a fact of life. No one is saying 30 y/o's are enlighted, just that they have a bit more perspective. The same can be said for twenties vs. teens. It's not that teens are idiots - they are just teens with the life-experiences & perspective of a teen
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