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Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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Post by oddsignals » Thu, Dec 10, 2015, 1:57 PM UTC

furyg3 wrote: post #49

nraynaud wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In France it's risky to be self-employed and have only one customer, that could be re-qualified as a disguised employment. I don't know exactly how that works with foreign companies. edit: my remark on foreign company is that, by having no nexus in the country of the consultant, going after them seems difficult

It's similar in The Netherlands. If you are self-employed and have more than one customer it's pretty demonstrable that you are autonomous, can decline work, and the relationship is not solely to avoid an employment contract. Contrary to popular (Dutch) belief, you do not have to have more than one customer... it's just that if you do it can be difficult to prove that you are autonomous. One test is if you are doing…

I'd assume the rules are the same in principle but you would be more likely to be considered autonomous in practice if audited. Also because you're probably providing your own equipment, office etc.

I actually did this for a while - self-employed in NO, only customer in NL. After a while I had more than one customer, making the issue moot :-)

Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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Post by monort » Thu, Dec 10, 2015, 2:00 PM UTC

stevoski wrote: post #23

ned wrote: post #16

When you are full-time employed, remotely, by a european company, and living in another european country, does anyone know : — do you set yourself up as a freelance consultant, and pay your healthcare and retirement fund yourself? — …or do you let the company pay that for you in the country they are based in, and somehow benefit from that? How does it work exactly for these social benefits that are very important in…

Disclaimer: I am not an accountant nor an employment lawyer. Anti-disclaimer: I run a company in Spain, and pay people in other countries money to do things for the company. My understanding is that in the EU your income tax, social security, etc, must be paid to the government in the country you are "tax resident" in. Typically, you are "tax resident" if you spend more than 180 days per year in a country. (Note: tha…

Actually it's that easy to be a non-resident (except for US citizens):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_traveler

Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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Post by scalesolved » Thu, Dec 10, 2015, 2:02 PM UTC

jasonkester wrote: post #78

scalesolved wrote: post #46

I think a lot of these job postings would have a lot more success if they showed salary ranges, in fact that just applies to all job postings. Why apply for EU remote working (if living in the EU) when you can remote work for a US based company? The timezone is off but programmers should be able to work autonomously and independently.

Especially considering the huge disconnect between what EU and US employers consider reasonable. I see [salary missing] and read "probably pays EU35,000 for a Senior Dev." If you are willing to hire from the EU talent pool, and are happy to pay US rates to do so, that is something you should shout from the rooftops. It will get you the cream of the crop. And I'd be willing to bet there is some very good cream here.

Absolutely, I work for a globally distributed company who are based in the US and the employees that are in the EU are easily some of the most talented people I've ever worked with!

Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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Post by daveguy » Thu, Dec 10, 2015, 2:05 PM UTC

ameen wrote: post #74

codegeek wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"become more Anti-immigrant (thankfully it's rising)" That is not very nice of you. Sure everyone wants the best options for their careers no matter where they are, but don't say these things loosely. I live in America and to be honest, it is still one of the most immigrant friendly countries in the world. Yes they have difficult and archaic immigration rules which need to be improved. If you are truly good, then com…

Sorry you couldn't detect my sarcasm. But it's disheartening to see U.S. of all places succumb to such stuff [1]. U.S. was built on enterprising immigrants who made it the country it currently is. No other country could then stake a claim to be a melting pot of the world nor could they dominate in so many industries. Software Engineering elsewhere is just following the lead established by American companies. I work w…

Don't be disheartened at [1]. All of the leadership for "his" party came out of the woodwork to condemn his rhetoric. They will now coalesce around a more acceptable candidate. Note he has only had about 25% of 1/2 of the voters. Or about 12.5% total. He will fall and be opposed exactly for this. No matter what your political party just about everyone in the US understands freedom of religion is a foundation (except that one, now obviously, fringe candidate).

Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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Post by ameen » Thu, Dec 10, 2015, 2:06 PM UTC

foxpc wrote: post #64

ameen wrote: post #60

As an Indian, I doubt I'll qualify for work in these companies. The problem for non-EU, non-US devs wishing to work remotely [1] is that most companies can't legally employ you or aren't willing to jump through bureaucratic hoops just to employ you. I'd subscribed to a remote-only jobs board and the issue was that either I didn't qualify for work due to my residency, or the company never really responded. I would say…

Do you live in EU and think that you won't qualify? Or are you living in India and complaining that you won't qualify to work in companies that are expecting people from EU to contact them?

This is a newsletter that picks job listings from remote working job boards (mostly WeWorkRemotely), based on timezones, not nationality.

Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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Post by Inthenameofmine » Thu, Dec 10, 2015, 2:09 PM UTC

ameen wrote: post #60

As an Indian, I doubt I'll qualify for work in these companies. The problem for non-EU, non-US devs wishing to work remotely [1] is that most companies can't legally employ you or aren't willing to jump through bureaucratic hoops just to employ you. I'd subscribed to a remote-only jobs board and the issue was that either I didn't qualify for work due to my residency, or the company never really responded. I would say…

While I definitely don't agree with this sentiment

> I'd love for the EU and the US to become more Anti-immigrant (thankfully it's rising)

I definitely agree with everything else you just said. I'm a Swiss citizen, Swiss born and raised, US educated, but my parents are not from Switzerland, and my name is not Swiss. I look as European as anybody else.

I couldn't even get a data entry job in Switzerland dammit. The US companies where asking for relocation, and if remote only at a 3-4x lower salary. I can't stand the US car culture (I'm a walkable city guy) so relocation was not an option for me.

Ended up doing a startup in my parent's home country. Fully bootstrapped, great revenue, great quality of life. 10-15% income tax.

With global health insurance, superb quality of life, walkable cities, cheap everything, no discrimination against you... Why would anybody want to move to the EU or US nowadays?

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Post by tallanvor » Thu, Dec 10, 2015, 2:11 PM UTC

dabrorius wrote: post #15

tallanvor wrote: post #12

The first item on the list is "I Will Teach You To Be Rich". That, to me, is a sign that I won't find serious opportunities on there.

I was reluctant to add that posting because of the project name. However if you read the job posting it seems much more serious than the name implies. It was an edge case but I decided to add it in the end.

I can see it being a difficult decision for you to make there, given that apparently that is a real business name. But that combined with the title "Growth Engineer" just really makes it look like a pyramid scheme or other scam.

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Post by tallanvor » Thu, Dec 10, 2015, 2:13 PM UTC

DeusExMachina wrote: post #17

tallanvor wrote: post #12

The first item on the list is "I Will Teach You To Be Rich". That, to me, is a sign that I won't find serious opportunities on there.

That is just because you have no idea what IWTYTBR is. Ramit has high end courses on finding a job, negotiating your salary, freelancing, online business and more. All these sell for a very high price and have a high success rate among the students, that get extraordinary results. I spent myself thousands of dollars in their trainings and they were the best spent money of my life. IWT is a multimillion business, with…

Maybe it's just me, but when I see that name, especially combined with the title "Growth Engineer", it screams scam. It's good that you're happy with their service, but I just wouldn't be able to take anyone working for that company seriously.

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Post by miskito » Thu, Dec 10, 2015, 2:15 PM UTC

newjersey wrote: post #79

scalesolved wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had the impression that the parent implied the situation was advantageous to both employees and companies yet in reality it's only advantageous to the companies.

I'd say you have the right impression. > Either way this does no good neither to you or the company. I'd go further and say that GP's argument is wrong. Open and public salaries are good for everyone. Just look at buffer. https://open.buffer.com/transparent-salaries-and-formula/

It's nice that Buffer exposed their salaries publicly, but I strongly dislike how they use location-based salaries. If they aren't willing to pay US salaries to EU people, they will never get the best EU people. For an average EU salary you'll get an average EU developer.

Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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Post by it_learnses » Thu, Dec 10, 2015, 2:18 PM UTC

ameen wrote: post #60

As an Indian, I doubt I'll qualify for work in these companies. The problem for non-EU, non-US devs wishing to work remotely [1] is that most companies can't legally employ you or aren't willing to jump through bureaucratic hoops just to employ you. I'd subscribed to a remote-only jobs board and the issue was that either I didn't qualify for work due to my residency, or the company never really responded. I would say…

I am a developer living in Canada (emigrated from India a long time ago) and I have heard of and seen many outsourcing horror stories. So I wouldn't say most Indians adhere to "industry standards" in code-quality, etc. They are just in it to make money and many times do a very shitty job. Also, communicating with them isn't very easy. Most Indians think they speak fluent English, but I would say in my experience it's business level, not fluent. And ditto for cultural sensibilities and work ethics. I have first hand experienced many new-comers just flat out lie on their resume to get a job and act like it's not a big deal.