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Re: Paly student tells of school stress

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It's more than that, unless you consider investing your physical health part of the deal too. As a current mechanical engineering junior, the expectations have gotten really quite insane. In order to graduate on time you have to be taking 15-18 credits of the hardest classes offered at university. Right now I'm in an 18 credit semester, and next I will be taking 17 credits. Currently I'm in fluid mechanics, finite el…

You need to work on organization. I get it hard as hell and their asking a lot, but a lot of what you're "suppose to" do to get good grades and learn is bullshit.

Don't know why you're getting downvoted.

Time management/organization skills can go a long way.

Re: Paly student tells of school stress

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Oh dear US citiziens...as a European reading things like this is hilarious. Here it doesn't matter what High School you attend, you go to any university you want because basically everyone is free and with no need to apply. Nobody ever asked me about my HS Diploma or my university grades. In the end the only thing that matters is what you can do/know (global truth).

Re: Paly student tells of school stress

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Oh dear US citiziens...as a European reading things like this is hilarious. Here it doesn't matter what High School you attend, you go to any university you want because basically everyone is free and with no need to apply. Nobody ever asked me about my HS Diploma or my university grades. In the end the only thing that matters is what you can do/know (global truth).

There's also a reason why you see countless European international students in the American higher education system. While Europe has some great universities, many of them are lackluster. What you can do/know can be greatly impacted by the people you're around and the people teaching you. When people are competing for slots at places where you can network with the best and brightest, competition will be fierce.

Re: Paly student tells of school stress

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Weirdly enough, high school in Palo Alto sucks for the same reason recruiting is hard.

Relevant anecdote: I had beers tonight with a friend who was going through some strange feelings about some acqui-hire interviewing with Google. (To be clear, Google's acquiring his company, not the other way around.) He's brilliant, and he's got literally a couple decades of experience in engineering, product, design, etc -- and yet he walked away not knowing why some of the team members were acqui-hired and others were a 'pass.'

So why does Google's interview process feel like the SATs, or this girl's description of high school? Perhaps our 'measurement' systems for 'human quality' are really, really bad. Probably because human 'quality' isn't really quantifiable (or even well-defined, or static under observation), definitely because there is no clean test for such things, and because intelligence is a slippery, poorly-defined quality, and definitely not a quantity.

High school is the worst example of this: it can be weirdly competitive, the stakes are irrelevant/stupid (scores on standardized tests?), and everything is scaled incorrectly.

For my own son (he's 4), I hope he just finds something he wants to do. I will be hugely proud if he figures out what makes him happy and does it. I would definitely have fun if he enjoyed building things, because that's something I enjoy, and I'd love to share it with him. But I swear I'd love him just as much if he became a lawyer. (No, HN, seriously, even a lawyer! if you have been sued and don't have kids you wouldn't understand; I've had both.)

Now, Palo Alto is a weird case, but I grew up in Mountain View (granted, a generation ago), and there was a little of the same competitiveness going on. But it wasn't institutional, it was parent-driven. Get enough like-minded parents in one spot, well, then I guess it feels like reality. But I think the central fiction of the entire affair is that grades, top colleges, some sort of context-free "achievement" is a first-order good. But it's not a filter for anything that really matters... for example: empathy, thoughtfulness, humility, etc. Or being able to create value for the world.

Or even capital-A achievement (which is only a poor proxy for value-creation). These qualities (and others) are more important for getting something done than pure intellect... if such a thing even exists, frankly -- I'm more inclined to believe in domain-specific aptitude than some sort of pure 'IQ' score, like a D&D character attribute... far too reductive to be real. Testing well on the SAT is a reliable indicator of being good at taking standardized tests... full stop.

And being good at interviews is 100% correlated with being good at interviews. I can't say much beyond that.

Re: Paly student tells of school stress

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Yes. I did this. And then the day after graduating had an extreme realization that I had no idea why I was doing anything. I'd been on autopilot for the last 9 years. Ran myself into the ground in highschool to graduate top of the class. Killed myself in college to graduate with honors and have a job before graduating. And then I graduated and realized that the next 40 years were in front of me. I didn't know what I…

Being passionate and dare I say obsessive about you work is good. I fact, it's the only way to achieve good results. That's what separates hackers from people that just go to work.

There should be some balance. I do similar shit and i stay up till I absolutely have to go to bed, then I can't sleep for 2 hours, despite quite strong sleeping/calming drugs, because I'm coding/doing PCB layout/whatever in my brain still

Re: Paly student tells of school stress

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I went to Homestead High School (and have friends that went to Gunn/Paly) and the experiences I've witnessed have been similar. One of my friends has parents that worked at Adobe. During his junior year, he was taking AP Calculus BC, AP Physics C E&M, AP Physics C Mechanics and AP Computer Science. He got straight A's both semesters, and got a 5 on all of the AP tests. I went over to his house during the summer and f…

Couldn't agree more; having supportive parents makes all the difference. I'm a junior in a similar situation course-wise (AP Calculus BC, AP Physics C, and AP Comp Sci last year), but my parents have found the balance between being overly demanding and too permissive. With their encouragement, the stress rarely gets to me - unlike some of my friends whose parents have them spend their summers and vacations studying f…

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Re: Paly student tells of school stress

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I went to Homestead High School (and have friends that went to Gunn/Paly) and the experiences I've witnessed have been similar. One of my friends has parents that worked at Adobe. During his junior year, he was taking AP Calculus BC, AP Physics C E&M, AP Physics C Mechanics and AP Computer Science. He got straight A's both semesters, and got a 5 on all of the AP tests. I went over to his house during the summer and f…

On the other hand, the parents are outliers, and rose above their peers. Would you expect them to be happy if their children were mediocre? After all, what are genes for?

"In statistics, regression toward (or to) the mean is the phenomenon that if a variable is extreme on its first measurement, it will tend to be closer to the average on its second measurement..." [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_toward_the_mean

Re: Paly student tells of school stress

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This article seems to blame teachers as needing more "punishments" and using large homework workloads to teach material because they cannot. I graduated from Gunn (the other PAUSD high school) in 2013 and it was definitely a time I remember as a very happy and excited time of my life. I had excellent teachers, especially in Math/Science/CS, who really connected with students and got us excited about learning difficul…

Yes, I think it really does come down to the parents. It is clear that many of these parents put inordinate pressure on their kids. Glad to see that there are exceptions. Thanks for posting your experience.

Re: Paly student tells of school stress

#89

I went to Homestead High School (and have friends that went to Gunn/Paly) and the experiences I've witnessed have been similar. One of my friends has parents that worked at Adobe. During his junior year, he was taking AP Calculus BC, AP Physics C E&M, AP Physics C Mechanics and AP Computer Science. He got straight A's both semesters, and got a 5 on all of the AP tests. I went over to his house during the summer and f…

On the other hand, the parents are outliers, and rose above their peers. Would you expect them to be happy if their children were mediocre? After all, what are genes for?

"What are genes for?"

Totally. Anyone who adopts is an idiot.

Re: Paly student tells of school stress

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Pretty lulzy considering Adobe and Intel are both extremely mediocre, even in Silicon Valley.

In what way? Intel makes the best CPUs in the world and Adobe makes the best photo editing software in the world. How are they mediocre?

They don't use React
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