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Re: “f.lux has been ready to ship for iOS for four years, but we need Apple's help.”

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Post by mangeletti »

EarthLaunch wrote: post #70
mangeletti wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was starting to feel confused about the anti-commercial sentiment I was seeing in here, noting that this is a forum created by one of the most successful venture capital firms in technology. But, then I saw your comment. I can get on board with this comment. The fact that they're attempting to patent something so trivial puts them right up there with the likes of Intellectual Ventures, etc., IMHO.

Yes, HN is fundamentally more anti-intellectual than it is anti-commercial.

By chance, did you mean "anti-intellectual property"?

Re: “f.lux has been ready to ship for iOS for four years, but we need Apple's help.”

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Post by izacus »

kup0 wrote: post #75
izacus wrote: post #19

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And you can get stuff that works without supporting closed ecosystems. Age is a bad excuse to not take a moment to check what you're buying.

Or maybe for some of us it's okay to use a closed ecosystem as long as we understand the limitations that come with it? Maybe it's worth it for what we perceive as the benefits of such a system? "Age is a bad excuse" Do we need an excuse for using a closed ecosystem? It's a choice and one that doesn't have to be justified to anyone but ourselves.

You can choose to use whatever you like, but implying that good user experience requires closed ecosystem is a false dichotomy and those two aren't connected. There is absolutely no reason why iOS couldn't provide current user experience for majority of users and still allow applications with advanced functionality to be sideloaded.

Also you may choose whatever you like, but painting non-Apple ecosystems as being homogenous is completely wrong. There are several manufacturers providing other OSes with different features and throwing all Androids (and others) with same stroke does annoy people. Just because you cannot be bothered to check a difference between a Samsung and a Nexus device it does not mean that such difference does not exist.

Re: “f.lux has been ready to ship for iOS for four years, but we need Apple's help.”

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Post by sandstrom »

sethbannon wrote: post #4

If you want to do something about this, the f.lux team has asked supporters on facebook to sign this petition: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/allow-flux-on-ios

Better signing an abolish software patent petition (or donate to EFF) than to support f.lux attempt to monetize a trivial 'invention'.

Re: “f.lux has been ready to ship for iOS for four years, but we need Apple's help.”

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Post by DavideNL »

untog wrote: post #72
coldtea wrote: post #56

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I think you don't understand it either. While I do "lose the freedom to install what I want" (outside of the 1.5 millions apps that I can install that is), I get more than "fancy designs". I get a system where progress and adoption is faster, I get far less (close to statistical noise) malware compared to Android (none, actually, if I stick to top tier apps -- whereas there are Android phones that came with malware p…

Sure, the OPs point was stated somewhat flippantly but the point still stands. If an average user owns an Apple device, they cannot install apps that are not on the App Store. Talking about what apps are available just seems like clouding the issue.

The answer is quite simple, many people don't want or need any other apps than those in the App Store. Most people are not developers or computer nerds. And what they get in return is for example an (almost) malware free device.

I'll probably get downvoted for saying this...

Anyway here's an example, Google them, all reports show the same results: > "Kaspersky Lab experts estimate that 98.05% of all existing mobile malware targets the users of Android devices." http://media.kaspersky.com/pdf/Kaspersky-Lab-KSN-Report-mobi...

Re: “f.lux has been ready to ship for iOS for four years, but we need Apple's help.”

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Post by [deleted] »

morgante wrote: post #65
JustSomeNobody wrote: post #30

This is why consumers need root access to their phones. These are more than just phones, they are pocket sized computers. We have root/admin access on our laptops and desktops, we should have it here.

Isn't that what jailbreaking is for?

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Re: “f.lux has been ready to ship for iOS for four years, but we need Apple's help.”

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Post by lispit »

coldtea wrote: post #48
striking wrote: post #13

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From the f.lux EULA, which I'm fairly certain no one has ever read through (evidently, because there hasn't been a backlash over it): You may not (and agree not to, and not authorize or enable others to), directly or indirectly: (a) copy, distribute, redistribute, rent, lease, mirror, timeshare, operate a service bureau, or otherwise use for the benefit of a third party, the Software; (b) disassemble, decompile, atte…

> Why do people support this software? Same reason we use Photoshop, Pro Tools, etc: because we like/want the functionality. Build an open source alternative as good, and we'll use that.

I could kinda see your point of view in your other posts ITT (though I disagree), but what? The entire point of this discussion is that their patent application is discouraging other people from creating "competitors" (if you can call them that).

Re: “f.lux has been ready to ship for iOS for four years, but we need Apple's help.”

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Post by heinrich5991 »

DavideNL wrote: post #84
untog wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, the OPs point was stated somewhat flippantly but the point still stands. If an average user owns an Apple device, they cannot install apps that are not on the App Store. Talking about what apps are available just seems like clouding the issue.

The answer is quite simple, many people don't want or need any other apps than those in the App Store. Most people are not developers or computer nerds. And what they get in return is for example an (almost) malware free device. I'll probably get downvoted for saying this... Anyway here's an example, Google them, all reports show the same results: > "Kaspersky Lab experts estimate that 98.05% of all existing mobile m…

f.lux seems to be an exception to this. I'm not sure if you're right in saying that "only developers or computer nerds" want to install apps other than those in the App Store.

Re: “f.lux has been ready to ship for iOS for four years, but we need Apple's help.”

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Post by coldtea »

forgotpwtomain wrote: post #67
coldtea wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

10k lines of C doesn't mean "simple". Perhaps not in this case, but even an 1K line of C program could need tons of research to be written, extravagant math, etc. There can be 1K programs that are orders of magnitude more complex to write than 100K programs -- e.g. cryptography vs a game engine.

I can tell you for sure that adjusting the color temp. of your monitor requires no extravagant math.

That's why I wrote: "Perhaps not in this case".

Re: “f.lux has been ready to ship for iOS for four years, but we need Apple's help.”

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Post by kuschku »

takeda wrote: post #44
striking wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the f.lux EULA, which I'm fairly certain no one has ever read through (evidently, because there hasn't been a backlash over it): You may not (and agree not to, and not authorize or enable others to), directly or indirectly: (a) copy, distribute, redistribute, rent, lease, mirror, timeshare, operate a service bureau, or otherwise use for the benefit of a third party, the Software; (b) disassemble, decompile, atte…

Easier to read version of the EULA (without using preformatted text): You may not (and agree not to, and not authorize or enable others to), directly or indirectly: (a) copy, distribute, redistribute, rent, lease, mirror, timeshare, operate a service bureau, or otherwise use for the benefit of a third party, the Software; (b) disassemble, decompile, attempt to discover the source code or structure, sequence and organ…

> (b) disassemble, decompile, attempt to discover the source code or structure, sequence and organization of, or otherwise reverse engineer, the Software (except to the extent applicable law prohibits restrictions on reverse engineering);

This is already completely null and void in multiple jurisdictions. I don’t think these developers have even consulted a lawyer while writing their EULA.

Re: “f.lux has been ready to ship for iOS for four years, but we need Apple's help.”

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Post by carlosrg »

internet2000 wrote: post #5

If they'd open source it, users would be able to compile for their own devices just fine. There are fully open alternatives that Apple doesn't mind, like https://github.com/anthonya1999/GoodNight I know where they're coming from, but all this wolf crying is getting annoying. I wouldn't mind if they came clear and said "we can't open source f.lux because we want to pressure Apple into letting us monetize it someday."

The developers should open their code while the OS maker keeps its system tightly closed and restrictive. Very coherent argument.
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