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State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

#81
post #7

Next thing you know, a new and even more totally total mass surveillance law is passed. (Obviously, attacks will continue to happen from time to time.)

Didn't the French parliament pass a bill recently granting the intelligence and security apparatus greater powers to persecute and watch over people without warrants?

Apparently this method is not working at all.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

#82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How easy the social fabric can be unraveled :(

Destruction and creation are a-symmetrical. I had an interesting exchange with another HN'er not that long ago about that very topic. I ran a community of a million people and it took by my estimates less than 50 dedicated assholes to totally wreck it for everybody else. How they managed that and why I couldn't stop it is very much related to how 'open societies' are impossible to defend against a large enough number…

Unraveling of complex systems is very interesting discipline. We are so fragile. And we intentionally put resilience at the bottom of the priorities. Right now Europe needs people that refuse to be intimidated and simultaneously do not turn into bloodthirsty fiends. But we must have began the process of instilling said culture a decades ago.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How easy the social fabric can be unraveled :(

Destruction and creation are a-symmetrical. I had an interesting exchange with another HN'er not that long ago about that very topic. I ran a community of a million people and it took by my estimates less than 50 dedicated assholes to totally wreck it for everybody else. How they managed that and why I couldn't stop it is very much related to how 'open societies' are impossible to defend against a large enough number…

In my years and travels, I've settled on the fact that the only solution to those "assholes" that destroy community fabric is overwhelming force. You cannot reason with someone who has nothing to lose.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

#85
post #34

What can we in tech do to help with this kind of situation?

The tech useful for preventing these situations is exactly the kind that's frowned upon in civil liberties circles.

Tech that enables education, work training, and cultural assimilation for disenfranchised minority youths is frowned upon in civil liberties circles?

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

#86

Reuters just reported: "French President Hollande decides state of emergency for all of France, borders closed." Source: http://live.reuters.com/Event/Paris_attacks_2?utm_source=twi...

How, physically? Do borders really... exist in the Schengen Zone? Like, how do they shut this down? https://www.google.com/maps/place/France/@49.5467828,5.43629...

Borders = streets, airport, train. You can't control the physical "green borders" in Schengen

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

#87

How this is related to tech.. Is HN best place to talk about it?

Please read the HN guidelines and you will understand that this site is not just about tech. Indeed that's the most important thing to understand about it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

#88
post #9

A disaster. Obviously don't know yet who is responsible, but I don't understand why France is being targeted in this way. They are hardly terrorist enemy number one.

Softer target. This is my area of study.

this is what I thought too.. France is a Western country and is probably much easier to target than e.g. the U.S. or even the UK

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

#89

Reuters just reported: "French President Hollande decides state of emergency for all of France, borders closed." Source: http://live.reuters.com/Event/Paris_attacks_2?utm_source=twi...

How, physically? Do borders really... exist in the Schengen Zone? Like, how do they shut this down? https://www.google.com/maps/place/France/@49.5467828,5.43629...

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Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

#90

How this is related to tech.. Is HN best place to talk about it?

Yes, HN has become one of the best places to talk about things like this.

Reddit discussions become overrun with useless comments. Stupid memes, puns, and just other irrelevant drivel.

Many of the mainstream news outlets have lagging facts, horrible commenting (if any) and biased/washed/slanted reporting.

HN thoroughly discourages both worthless commenting and links to worthless news sources.

For me personally, I much prefer following stories like this on HN vs anywhere else.

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