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>And gay people were only allowed to marry in 2014. This is true, of course, but potentially a little misleading for people not familiar with the UK, since civil partnerships have been available since 2004.
civil partnerships were also misleading, since myself and my opposite sex partner are not allowed to get one, even though we are both civilians.
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If you've acknowledged that marriage culturally is a sticker, why care about something so insignificant? Legally, there is obvious value. Stating such an opinion leads me to believe you are being willfully dishonest in your argument.
It's only a sticker for gays as it doesn't serve any purpose to them. They are pretty good being just in a partnership.
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>And in any case there is simply no real value for gays to become 'married' other than getting a sticker. The "sticker" was a visa in my husband's case. Although the UK does not require you to be married to your partner in order for them to get a visa, you have to provide all kinds of ridiculous documentation in the absence of a marriage certificate. In other countries (e.g. the US), being married is an absolute requ…
Does it make more sense to change Visa laws to allow more flexible relationships? Would you then not need to be 'married' and just use your partnership status?
Changing all the specific legal benefits, privileges, and obligations of marriage to be "marriage or partnership" makes less sense than changing the admission criteria for marriage.
I mean, this is a tech forum, right, think about it from DRY perspective.
No flying kites? Isn't that what we were saying you couldn't do under Taliban control about 5 years ago and laughing at how ludicrous it was? Nice to see tens of millions of public money going on vanity projects like this with ridiculous baggage attached to it. The £20mm public loan over a 50 year period sounds interesting. I wonder what interest rate they are getting on that. I would LOVE to see it. Maybe I'll do a…
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> So who is picking up one aspect of the complex relationship here? Who is making it hard to believe you're arguing in good faith here? You've consistently harped on a reductionist definition of marriage in this thread. >If I get together with an AI in the future you'll call it marriage too? Personally, I truly do not care what you call it. If they're able to give consent and you can find a place to have wedding, goo…
That's the problem - your abstraction is leaking, whereas the man/woman/kids abstraction of the marriage is not.
This article more or less describes what a police state would look like if the Church of England designed it. A controlled, plasticised, corporate Little England, where fun is monitored and must be of an approved nature, freedom of expression is allowed as long as you don't express anything disagreeable, and the public have no democratic rights at all. Yet another small, sad indicator that control over the lives of L…
I find your comment somewhat alarmist, and lacking historical context. The City of London (from which the Temple end of the Garden Bridge starts) is many many hundreds of years older than the UK itself, and has always been privately owned and governed by shadowy, corporate and arcane processes. Traditionally even the Queen is not allowed to enter the City of London without the say-so of the Lord Mayor. This "private…
I think that's also misleading; it's not a 'corporation'=='limited liability company with shares'. It's not a "capitalist" institution, it's a pre-capitalist feudal institution that predates the LLC by centuries. It's an elected local body with an unusual electorate.
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When you say liberal, do you mean liberal but still will not do gay marriages?
It doesn't make sense to call gay partnership a marriage. Marriage is a strictly defined cultural phenomenon meaning a relationship between a man and a woman with the original intention to continue the family by having kids.
Married and marriage have plenty of meanings in English...
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When you say liberal, do you mean liberal but still will not do gay marriages?
I don't know: I'm not aware we've ever been asked. My guess is that our church would if we were allowed to, but that the diocese and Lambeth Palace would overrule it. I do know that [family member], who is gay and married, has said that she feels welcomed in our church and that she wishes she'd had one like it to support her when she came out.
It's one of the only institutions I can think of that seems to be allowed to openly discriminate against homosexuals and until more recently women in some regards as well.
I hope you didn't take my comment as me jumping on you, I'm just curious because I don't think I could call any church in the CoE liberal when the leadership are so conservative.
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I think you're being a bit harsh about the C of E - as a Scot they seemed to be a rather friendly organisation untroubled with strong beliefs, particularly about the "God" thing. However, the Church of Scotland - at least how I remember it from my youth, now there was an organisation dedicated to the eradication of passion and joy from the world.
I see your Church of Scotland and raise you a Free Church of Scotland. I wasn't a member (my girlfriend was) and I haven't attended a meeting in the last 20 years. But I was still shocked when they (grudgingly) allowed hymn singing in 2010. Having said that, the garden bridge sounds more like a CofE-esque police state that a Free Church police state. I mean, it'll probably allow flowers and papists and all sorts.
Edit: I'm pretty sure we had Wee Frees and Wee Wee Frees.
Edit2: I'm pretty sure "church" isn't the right word...
No flying kites? Isn't that what we were saying you couldn't do under Taliban control about 5 years ago and laughing at how ludicrous it was? Nice to see tens of millions of public money going on vanity projects like this with ridiculous baggage attached to it. The £20mm public loan over a 50 year period sounds interesting. I wonder what interest rate they are getting on that. I would LOVE to see it. Maybe I'll do a…
It would probably be deemed 'commercially sensitive'. I sent a FOI to my university and that was what they used to get out of it.