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Re: Off the Grid, but Still Online

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What's really the big deal? Folks have been living like this for much of mankind and million of folks still do around the world. First world amusement if you ask me.

Not with running drinking water, 100Mbps networking, multi-GHz processing, instant temperature adjustment, and so many calories society's biggest problem is obesity. Most of "our poorest" are still in the world's 80th percentile of income/wealth.

Do you really think the poorest people in your city are better off than people making an equivalent dollar amount in poorer countries?

Re: Off the Grid, but Still Online

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Do you have any more info on this type of existence or communities which have this? As a vegan, programmer, and someone very interested in leaving in nature and off the grid this sound like a sort of unicorn heavenly existence that only existed in 21st century fairy tales.

I'm rboyd's fiance and we're vegan too! :) I started a blog at girlvsgrid.com so you can see we're fun people. Please move here! haha

That's awesome! Once my girlfriend graduates from Grad School we might be open to something a live like that intentional living surrounded by nature was always appealing to us, it just never seemed... doable? Guess we just didn't dream large enough!

Nice blog, and good luck with you 700 square foot garden, I have it liked on Facebook! :)

Re: Off the Grid, but Still Online

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Doesn't Australia have its own vast remote wilderness? Or is freezing cold preferable to scorching hot?

> Or is freezing cold preferable to scorching hot? I think so. It seems much easier to build things to handle the cold vs handle the heat. You really just need fuel and insulation (for you and the house), and you can be quite comfortable. Scorching heat though - there's really not a whole lot you can do except find shade and not move.

There are solar powered solutions for air conditioning.

Re: Off the Grid, but Still Online

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My fiance and I left Chicago (and $1700/mo) in July for this kind of middle ground. I cross-referenced national fiber optic rollout with low population/rural areas and we found a few acres with 1gbps FTTH in the Lake of the Ozarks area. Our place came with an existing 2 bedroom home with existing private well and electric, all-in we bought for under 2 years worth of Chicago rent. Our home is/was a bit of a fixer-uppe…

The Ozarks are beautiful; they took me by surprise. There's many places like this throughout the USA. I don't understand the appeal of living in an expense shoebox in a concrete metropolis. Another place that's got a high quality of life for low cost of living is St. Augustine, Florida. It's an architecturally significant city with several colleges, great art scene, wide beaches.

"I don't understand the appeal of living in an expense shoebox in a concrete metropolis"

You don't need to look any further than the warnings in the post you're replying to for a response. If you're dating, prefer lots of social interaction, or attend a lot of big-city events, then you're going to have a bad time living in southern Missouri.

Re: Off the Grid, but Still Online

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Central Utah - quite a few small family/hobby farms, but also I-15 comes down through Salt Lake and Provo, so there is a strand of civilization (jobs, people, etc) along the interstate south of Provo that makes the small towns be a little more suburban than you might expect. And many of us have quite decent internet connectivity - my town in particular has its own municipal network, currently at 120MB, and they are u…

Would you be more specific? What town are you in? How much land do you have? Do you have water rights? If so, how hard/expensive were they to get? What do you grow? Do you grow just for your own use, or do you sell some? Do you do contract programming, or do you work for a single company? If for a company, how hard was it to get that set up? How often do you go into the big city (Provo/SLC)? For what? What's the bigg…

I'm in Spanish Fork, UT. We live on 3 acres. We have our own well with water rights for the home and livestock. We used to have more, for field irrigation, but we did not use those water shares, and in Utah you either use your rights or lose them, so we sold them to the city. Water rights often come with property - they are part of the real estate purchase. They can also be bought and sold like real estate, and if you watch public announcements, there are occasional auctions. Their cost depends on the source of water - it varies greatly.

We mostly have focused on getting the property fixed up, and getting animals running over the past 2.5 years. Many people bite off more than they can chew, but I have a rule that we take on one new kind of animal or food procution at a time, and learn it well before adding more. It slows down the process, but I have seen too many people crash and burn by trying to do everything all at once. So for now, we have a flock of chickens that gives us more eggs than we know what to do with. We have bees for honey, and goats, which give us all the dairy we need, as well as some meat and fiber. We have fruit trees. This winter we are getting drop irrigation installed through a few dozen raised garden beds, so our veggie and produce production should be up to speed next year, hopefully. And we may start up a 2nd chicken flock for meat. I expect we have 2 more years of building out our property before we are truly self-sufficient.

I work full-time for a single company. We are a SaaS companies that has no office, and everyone works from home. Finding the job was a lucky break, but once I had the job, they could care less where I live, so I found a place I like and moved there. The job has its ups and downs, like any job does, but it is hard to argue with working from home, wherever and whenever you want. That being said, one of the main reasons I am not farther from Provo and SLC is that it is a nice safety net to know that I could get a job and go back to the commuting life if I ever needed to.

I go into Provo regularly - it is the closest Home Depot, as well as the closest place for lots of retails shopping and ethnic food. And it is only 15 minutes away, so coming from a larger city, it doesn't even feel like much of a trip. But we also do a lot in town - it is not that tiny, over 30K people. There is a movie theatre in town, groceries, ranch stores, some restaurants, etc. We head to Provo probably once a week for other things, up to Orem for a pet store and art supply stores maybe once a month. And Salt Lake? I really thought I would go to Salt Lake more than I do, but I have not been there in a long time. Maybe once a year for an IKEA run, or for a fancy date night with my wife.

The biggest drawback is social - living in a small town makes it hard to build up a large group of friends. It is easier on me because I am married with kids, and don't need much more than that. You also have less diversity around here. It takes a conscious awareness to try to expose my children to more that the world has to offer.

Re: Off the Grid, but Still Online

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There are also middle grounds you can take. I, and other people in my area, live on homesteads, doing our organic / permaculture farming thing, growing our own food, expanding our solar arrays... while also having a good internet connection and a grid-tie so we can do our coding day jobs for part of the day, pay our bills, then shut down and spend the rest of our time in a more disconnected state. I wish I could disc…

Do you have anything published? I get really excited when I see crossover into this community. I'm in the early stages of my transition; the mentality is solidly there, still working on infrastructure and tools, and money.

Not that I am prepared to share in a public forum like this. We do keep a blog to share our lives with family and friends, but we don't really write it up for the general public.

I'm about to sign off for the day, but I'll try to drop you a line later tonight so you can get in touch. We do like connecting with kindred spirits.

Re: Off the Grid, but Still Online

#87
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> It can certainly be internalized to the point of being "normal" and "comfortable", but still requires that focus I would argue that there's a feedback loop in this particular case between the requirement of such effort, and the ability to generate it. The same sort of flow-state you get from e.g. playing Minecraft, also exists in the real-world equivalent of survivalist bootstrapping. Our brains were evolved to be…

While not a developer, I do spend more or less my entire day staring at one or more screens. My home has a yard that needs to be completely re-landscaped, and the manual labor for that has been such a rewarding and peaceful activity for me which speaks a lot to your point. That said, I realized while buying supplies to build a wooden raised bed this past weekend that basic things like "screwing some boards together t…

> The only thing I can think of is that in this day and age of everything being simplified to a few mouse clicks or screen taps, everything else becomes a monumental chore by comparison.

Or that now you know what the tradeoffs are and that there is a whole set of things you don't know you don't know! My teen self would have rather built the raised garden bed than used it, so he wouldn't have planned for long term effects (will this weather all seasons well? will these railroad ties leech into the soil and kill me via my veggies? etc)

Re: Off the Grid, but Still Online

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Don't underestimate how much effort and devotion to the lifestyle it takes. Most of us just want a "turnkey" lifestyle, buying whatever on a whim and expecting it to just work (plug-in gadgets, packaged foods), with even our "staples" coming in such perfect condition (box of nails from Home Depot, beautiful fruits at Whole Foods, etc.). To the contrary, off-the-grid requires devotion to the act of surviving from basi…

>To the contrary, off-the-grid requires devotion to the act of surviving from basics, and integrating technology therein takes additional effort/patience/tolerance.

This kind of off-the-grid described in the article isn't far from standard everyday life amenities 4-6 decades ago...

Re: Off the Grid, but Still Online

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Good to know I'm not the only one living in a Veedub.

I live in 85 westy that just recently passed smog after having to change the cat. BAR CAP repairs are a huge PITA and shops feel obliged to rip you and the state off with unnecessary repairs. You're better off paying cash to the esses in east San Jose to make it "pass."

Re: Off the Grid, but Still Online

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The Ozarks are beautiful; they took me by surprise. There's many places like this throughout the USA. I don't understand the appeal of living in an expense shoebox in a concrete metropolis. Another place that's got a high quality of life for low cost of living is St. Augustine, Florida. It's an architecturally significant city with several colleges, great art scene, wide beaches.

" I don't understand the appeal of living in an expense shoebox in a concrete metropolis " You don't need to look any further than the warnings in the post you're replying to for a response. If you're dating, prefer lots of social interaction, or attend a lot of big-city events, then you're going to have a bad time living in southern Missouri.

I prefer social interaction as well which is why we hit up Bagnell Dam strip, go to the lake in the summer (& pools with swim up bars), farmer's markets, vineyards, and apple festivals. But I definitely don't think I would have been able to make the switch without rboyd. Definitely recommend to find a partner in the city, then move closer to nature with your love!
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