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Re: Facebook Reactions

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Dismayed that middlebrow dismissals like this still reign supreme on HN, this seems like a cheap shot comment. Obviously you can express yourself however you wish on Facebook through comments, pictures, etc; they've actually broadened your options for doing so here.

I'm not sure it's a middlebrow dismissal, it's well-timed sarcasm which points to an important issue: Facebook deciding which emotions and expressions are first class citizens and which aren't is troubling.

Are there any chats that don't do this? How would you have implemented it?

Re: Facebook Reactions

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Why all the negativity here? You can still like things, comment with text, or just not use Facebook. Nobody will ever be forced to use these emoticons, and nobody at Facebook is saying you can only express these 6 emotions while using Facebook. I also don't get why everyone feels FB owes them a dislike button. It seems like that would be a bad feature. Personally, I think it's a good change. It won't change Facebook…

I think the frustration is that around a month ago Zuckaberg himself was hitting the media to drum up speculation, "Is it time to add a dislike button". I think it's more a matter of failure to deliver on said hype as expected. Simply, for around a month we've been challenged to consider, is a dislike button something you might use? "Ok I suppose YES". Well then here's the new features. "Wait?! Where the dislike butt…

Even when Zuckerberg said that, I think he had made clear that he wanted something for the situations where "liking" is not appropriate. I still think that ignoring is much better than disliking.

Re: Facebook Reactions

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Why would Yay get adopted as "dislike"? Something like angry or sad would make way more sense. It'd be incredibly hard to create this culture in 1.4B people when the UI indicates otherwise. Perhaps among younger audiences? I'm still very skeptical.

I associate and would use Yay only as an ironic expressions of excitement, as in "Two more weeks of working overtime, yay", but I have only found a discussion in an catholic forum as evidence that some people think the same way. I don't believe I have ever heard someone use "Yay" in a non ironic fashion, but I'm not from an english speaking country. So you could easily imagine a situation where posts by popular kids…

English-speaker here (UK) - just to let you know that Yay! is very definitely used in a non-ironic fashion all the time as a light-hearted, perhaps slightly jokey, expression of delight. In text, and sometimes even in speech.

I can 'calibrate' a Yay to indicate a negative sentiment based on context, but it's a bit jarring and not even very strongly negative. Examples like "Two more weeks of working overtime. Yay" is obviously a negative use but, to me, that's you indicating disapproval of a fairly trivial inconvenience or annoyance in a rather light-hearted way. If you really disliked something I'd expect a more direct statement like 'damn it' or your whatever your chosen flavour of profanity.

The idea of Yay as a general meme for negativity is very jarring, at least to this native reader, and I'd really struggle to imagine it ever catching on as a result. Hope you found this perspective useful!

Re: Facebook Reactions

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> It's similar to HN's policy of "prefer discussion to downvotes" HN has never had any such policy. Edit: We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10356268 and marked it off-topic.

I mean HN the community rather than HN the website (As in, every time I've seen a meta-discussion about the HN voting system, something along those lines has been mentioned; though I guess that's more "culture" than "policy")

People have asked for discussion rather than down votes when they know a point they've written is controversial. But that's for very few posts.

Re: Facebook Reactions

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> It's similar to HN's policy of "prefer discussion to downvotes" HN has never had any such policy. Edit: We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10356268 and marked it off-topic.

I mean HN the community rather than HN the website (As in, every time I've seen a meta-discussion about the HN voting system, something along those lines has been mentioned; though I guess that's more "culture" than "policy")

That view isn't HN's culture. Yes it always gets mentioned, but so does the opposite view. The community is divided.

To the extent that HN itself has a policy it was set years ago by pg saying that downvoting for disagreement is ok.

Re: Facebook Reactions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure it's a middlebrow dismissal, it's well-timed sarcasm which points to an important issue: Facebook deciding which emotions and expressions are first class citizens and which aren't is troubling.

Are there any chats that don't do this? How would you have implemented it?

It's a little more subtle. and subtle is the point. Human emotion, heck, all of human experience is analog. Love for a child is different than love for a parent, for example. And it's fractally complicated. If you look at how a word, phrase or novel matches up to an emotion you'll see the flaws where it doesn't quite match up at every scale.

So, anyway, discretizing these 6 states and fast tracking them is ok, i guess. It certainly allows people to shade their like in an interesting way, but it blows away complexity. The simple like can convey more meaning, imho, based on the sender. A like from an ex-lover, for example has a different meaning than from grandma. In some sense, they're both "i'm thinking of you" but they're nuanced based on sender.

It's not super clear to me that providing the 6 states will actually convey more information. Really it just requires a bit more effort on the user. A guy hits like on a pretty girl's photo because of love or lust, same guy hits like on a fast car because of awe. The context is more than enough to infer the meaning. It does make the sympathy connection explicit, so that's something. The sad face is probably much quicker than typing in "sucks about the cancer, bro". Is optimizing that case for speed better for humans?

Re: Facebook Reactions

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For disagreement, write a comment explaining /why/ you disagree. (It's similar to HN's policy* of "prefer discussion to downvotes") * EDIT: I mean culture; as in I've seen it mentioned a lot by users of the site, though it's not in the rules

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Re: Facebook Reactions

#89

Why all the negativity here? You can still like things, comment with text, or just not use Facebook. Nobody will ever be forced to use these emoticons, and nobody at Facebook is saying you can only express these 6 emotions while using Facebook. I also don't get why everyone feels FB owes them a dislike button. It seems like that would be a bad feature. Personally, I think it's a good change. It won't change Facebook…

I think the frustration is that around a month ago Zuckaberg himself was hitting the media to drum up speculation, "Is it time to add a dislike button". I think it's more a matter of failure to deliver on said hype as expected. Simply, for around a month we've been challenged to consider, is a dislike button something you might use? "Ok I suppose YES". Well then here's the new features. "Wait?! Where the dislike butt…

He can't control what the media writes. For example, the article was titled "Facebook working on 'dislike' button, Zuckerberg says", but here's the actual quotes from that exact article:

"It's important to give people more options than just 'like'" to help express empathy and sympathy, Zuckerberg said. "Not every moment is a good moment."

"Some people have asked for a dislike button because they want to say, 'That thing isn't good.' And that’s not something that we think is good for the world. So we’re not going to build that," Zuckerberg said at the time.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/09/15/facebook-worki...

Re: Facebook Reactions

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Livejournal's "mood icons" were the first thing I thought of. (Though the standing joke with LJ was that they could save space by eliminating all the mood icons except for "angsty"...)

Same here, and I think that may have been the idea. One of the things I loved about LJ was the ability to set moods, nested commenting, and a community spirit. Mood likes, better commenting, and Groups have started to adopt this LJ spirit (as much as don't want to admit).
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