Pandora Acquires TicketFly for $450M • Hacker News Board

Re: Pandora Acquires TicketFly for $450M

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Post by yaur » Thu, Oct 08, 2015, 2:05 AM UTC

samstave wrote: post #69

yaur wrote: post #64

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I use a bookmarklet to put that stuff in the title (and click the are you still listening button) you could do the same to fix the layout how you like it.

link to said bookmarklet?

just something I wrote in a few minutes...

javascript:setInterval(function (){document.title = $('.songTitle').text() + ' -- ' + $('.artistSummary').first().text();if($('#still_listening_ignore').length == 1){var t = 1000 + (Math.random()*500); setTimeout(function(){if($('#still_listening_ignore').length == 1)$('#still_listening_ignore').click();},t)}},1000);

Re: Pandora Acquires TicketFly for $450M

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Post by cdcarter » Thu, Oct 08, 2015, 2:54 AM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #56

ju-st wrote: post #41

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Yep. If you want to outcompete Ticketmaster you have to increase your revenue by jacking up the ticket prices even more (so your real customers get more money).

What if a startup worked with upcoming artists to book venues that aren't your typical music venues? The venue gets traffic it wouldn't have otherwise gotten, the artist keeps ticket prices lower (which promotes more exposure with their fans, and increases the profitability of touring).

Not a lot of venues that "aren't your typical music venues" have the kind of infrastructure (including but not limited to security procedures and PA) necessary for the kinds of bands LiveNation is signing.

Re: Pandora Acquires TicketFly for $450M

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Post by pat2man » Thu, Oct 08, 2015, 3:12 AM UTC

samstave wrote: post #47

If anyone from Pandora is reading this: * Form a partnership with Uber -- allow me to see venues with events happening on my uber map and allow me to click one button to buy a ride to the venue and a ticket at the same time! * For the love of god -- please update the Pandora Home Screen on the website app when listening to music so that the album art and the artist title are BIG and viewable from across the room! Loo…

I don't think Uber does any integration like that. Creating a map inside Ticketfly would be easier and it could include an Uber ride at checkout.

Re: Pandora Acquires TicketFly for $450M

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Post by g10r » Thu, Oct 08, 2015, 3:21 AM UTC

codva wrote: post #74

One cool thing Pandora might be able to do is analyze their stream data and predict where bands will have enough fans to make money on a live show. I could imagine TicketFly offering a service that essentially tells bands where to play, and of course steer them to a Ticketfly venue whenever possible.

Totally agree. Tremendous value.

Re: Pandora Acquires TicketFly for $450M

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Post by sambrand » Thu, Oct 08, 2015, 3:50 AM UTC

maccard wrote: post #30

smegel wrote: post #21

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> but Facebook People listen to music for hours each day, even while working. They aren't using Facebook like that.

I also left Spotify streaming on my work computer when I left this evening. My average Spotify usage is probably 23 hours a day.

Trying to get indie artists paid, are we? Or just astroturfing your last.fm ranks? Both seem noble enough.

Re: Pandora Acquires TicketFly for $450M

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Post by zymhan » Thu, Oct 08, 2015, 4:23 AM UTC

Liuser wrote: post #73

kauegimenes wrote: post #70

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I think Pandora stops if you leave the app playing for some hours without any interaction with the app. Most streaming services do that to save bandwidth.

Paid version wont do that. This is needed for music playing in the background at restaurants for example.

Yes it will, it just takes longer to timeout. And you cannot just play a normal Pandora subscription in a commercial setting.

Re: Pandora Acquires TicketFly for $450M

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Post by Liuser » Thu, Oct 08, 2015, 4:35 AM UTC

melvinmt wrote: post #75

Liuser wrote: post #73

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Paid version wont do that. This is needed for music playing in the background at restaurants for example.

> music playing in the background at restaurants I'm pretty sure Spotify/Pandora's terms & conditions don't allow that: https://help.pandora.com/customer/portal/articles/215200-pla... https://www.spotify.com/us/legal/end-user-agreement/#s8

Good to know.

The terms may prohibit, but in my observations, I know of many restaurants and small businesses that do it anyway. I'm sure most ignorant of the policy, but how many would stop anyway if still known of it.

Re: Pandora Acquires TicketFly for $450M

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Post by thwarted » Thu, Oct 08, 2015, 4:48 AM UTC

pedalpete wrote: post #40

cmurf wrote: post #20

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They are actually Live Nation which before the merger was a spin off from Clear Channel. So they have all kinds of legacy venue usage rights and exclusive contracts. It's so incredibly blatantly anti-competitive and yet the merger was allowed: Google, Microsoft , Intel, piles of companies were against the merger. So it's not amazing at all. And then it's perfect for many entertainers because they can use Ticketmaster…

To give people what the 'exclusive venue' right look like. If a venue uses ticketmaster, and breaks the contract, they can't sign with another ticket vendor for one year. That pretty much locks everybody else out of the market. Or the venue is going to have one very quiet year.

If a venue uses ticketmaster, and breaks the contract, they can't sign with another ticket vendor for one year.

Can't sign with another vendor per the contract they just broke?

Re: Pandora Acquires TicketFly for $450M

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Post by paulsutter » Thu, Oct 08, 2015, 5:51 AM UTC

codva wrote: post #74

One cool thing Pandora might be able to do is analyze their stream data and predict where bands will have enough fans to make money on a live show. I could imagine TicketFly offering a service that essentially tells bands where to play, and of course steer them to a Ticketfly venue whenever possible.

Even better they can tell me when a band is playing locally. I listen to so many bands on Pandora, and I always seem to find out about smaller shows after they happen.

Pandora can significantly increase the attendance at these shows. That's much more important economically to most bands than the tiny royalty checks. It can be a real benefit to the music business.

Re: Pandora Acquires TicketFly for $450M

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Post by justizin » Thu, Oct 08, 2015, 6:00 AM UTC

codva wrote: post #74

One cool thing Pandora might be able to do is analyze their stream data and predict where bands will have enough fans to make money on a live show. I could imagine TicketFly offering a service that essentially tells bands where to play, and of course steer them to a Ticketfly venue whenever possible.

Great as long as the algorithm isn't hiding a bunch.

I stopped using Pandora years ago when I interviewed with them and they ranted at me about how much they hate paying customers because they make more on advertising, which is when I started paying twice as much for Spotify.

Also, the people I know that use Pandora, and my experience of using Pandora literally since they were announced on Slashdot and were one of the first Flash apps, is that they do better 'radio' than other folks, but if you stick with a channel, it don't change much over years.