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This reminds me of when jQuery had a cartoon ninja on their homepage. Am I seriously looking at a page targeted at grown adults with a talking butterfly on it?
And yet, everybody loves Go.
FWIW, Russ Cox's GitHub icon[1] is similarly scary to me.
OOC how many people would be interested in a Perl 6 Corporate Look n' Feel type site? Where everything is just designed to be boring and on message for production use in a business setting. Front page has Docker deployment and continuous integration setup steps etc. (that all exists and works FYI) Everything would be muted colours and mostly cloning the style of https://www.haskell.org/ or https://nodejs.org/en/ or e…
I obviously can't speak for everyone but there are no changes to the website that would change the attitude about Perl here at work. Twenty years of unmaintainable Perl code has convinced management that it needs to be eradicated. Note: I'm not bashing Perl here - developers using any language can create unmaintainable code. The move towards producing enterprise-level software has included increasing salaries to the…
I wouldn't worry too much about that. I'd rather build awesome things in Perl 6 better, faster and more productively than in any other language.
Those who don't use it have much to lose than those who do.
OOC how many people would be interested in a Perl 6 Corporate Look n' Feel type site? Where everything is just designed to be boring and on message for production use in a business setting. Front page has Docker deployment and continuous integration setup steps etc. (that all exists and works FYI) Everything would be muted colours and mostly cloning the style of https://www.haskell.org/ or https://nodejs.org/en/ or e…
If the same template is re used for Perl 6, it would work just wonderfully fine.
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Larry didn't say it should be feminine, nor did he imply it. He also didn't say masculinity is misogyny. At most he called for something androgynous. I think to interpret his statements otherwise is projecting. > As is the idea that aggression is a purely masculine trait I didn't say it was a purely masculine trait, but to ignore the clear association between masculinity and aggression in many cultures is to ignore r…
He literally says his vision for the logo is to discourage misogyny in the parent post: > I also take it as a given that we want to discourage misogyny in our community. All I want to know is what does the one have to do with the other? What does a butterfly logo have to do with the concept of sexism towards women? That's it. That's my question. I have no idea how to state it more simply. Someone suggested that "disc…
By being gender neutral and inviting in an industry with is definitively male dominated, and arguably male-centric.
> It was my response to your saying masculinity is misogyny
I did not say masculinity is misogyny, please don't extend your argument to my statements providing and alternate interpretation. My interpretation is this: You can fight misogyny by being open and inviting to all sexes. Being overtly masculine can hamper that. Let's not be overtly masculine.
To be clear, I think the root difference in our points of view is that you seem to have attributed a very specific meaning to one particular statement of his. I think there is not enough context to make a definitive assertion as to his meaning, so out of the possible interpretations I chose one that is more positive.
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I obviously can't speak for everyone but there are no changes to the website that would change the attitude about Perl here at work. Twenty years of unmaintainable Perl code has convinced management that it needs to be eradicated. Note: I'm not bashing Perl here - developers using any language can create unmaintainable code. The move towards producing enterprise-level software has included increasing salaries to the…
I don't think it contributes to the conversation to point out that when inexperienced-by-trade people (managers typically don't code) observe inexperienced-by-laziness people (devs who don't learn how to write maintably in any language), they walk away with impressions that have zero correlation to reality. Especially when they conflate two completely different languages to boot. There's nothing to take away here oth…
In many cases, Java is still considered THE enterprise language. Other languages have invaded that enterprise dominance by running on the JVM. This includes languages like Scala (which was designed for the JVM) and languages like JPython (which was obviously preceded by Python). So here's another question - Would Perl6 adoption in the enterprise be enhanced by compiling it to bytecode and running it on the JVM?
As an aside, my original note admitted that it was at least partially developer practices that led to the excoriation of Perl - that doesn't change the fact that it is no longer acceptable for application development at my workplace.
OOC how many people would be interested in a Perl 6 Corporate Look n' Feel type site? Where everything is just designed to be boring and on message for production use in a business setting. Front page has Docker deployment and continuous integration setup steps etc. (that all exists and works FYI) Everything would be muted colours and mostly cloning the style of https://www.haskell.org/ or https://nodejs.org/en/ or e…
> anyway, that's just the .org site; other sites can have dreary corporate logos if they like :)
http://irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2011-09-15#i_4432065
I'm pretty sure diakopter owns perl6.com; maybe approach him?
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Is it usable, performance-wise, in production yet? The company I work for (also a perl 5 shop) gave MoarVM a try about a year ago with a toy application, and it was just unusably slow. The task was just receiving some JSON on a TCP socket, decoding it, and sending a static response, but the round trip time was large enough that the server that made the request marked the transaction as 'timed-out' every time. (This i…
Moar has come light-years over the past 12 months. It very well might be! Give it another try. I recall a few months ago that a hand full of the benchmarks on JVM were actually running faster than Perl 5.latest, though most were slower. Perl 6 is far, far more optimizable than Perl 5, and also most similar languages. The long-term focus on correct first is finally paying off.
Funny thing about Perl 6 syntax and feature are reinvented the wheel all over again like Perl 6 'gather' and 'take' syntax, Only Perl 6 have that syntax. A lot of Reinventing the wheel in syntax and feature make Perl 6 a very bad language.
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I don't think it contributes to the conversation to point out that when inexperienced-by-trade people (managers typically don't code) observe inexperienced-by-laziness people (devs who don't learn how to write maintably in any language), they walk away with impressions that have zero correlation to reality. Especially when they conflate two completely different languages to boot. There's nothing to take away here oth…
The parent's question was whether a more enterprise-like web-site would help with Perl6 adoption - I simply said (for our organization) that the answer was no and included a brief description of why that was the case. In many cases, Java is still considered THE enterprise language. Other languages have invaded that enterprise dominance by running on the JVM. This includes languages like Scala (which was designed for…
I doubt the JVM will be officially supported this year but Rakudo's JVM backend has been running Perl 6 code since 2013.
> it is no longer acceptable for application development at my workplace.
Presumably "it" here refers to Perl 5 and not to other languages like Haskell, Scala or Perl 6?
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I think the R homepage is pretty much perfect: https://www.r-project.org/ Who wouldn't be excited about learning R after visiting the website!
Sarcasm? While it's not a bad website, I wouldn't say it inspires me to get into stats with R. It doesn't have a code example, or much color. I think the python homepage is much better designed
I don't think people interested in R are necessarily going to judge it first by its homepage and website.