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What is online pornography doing to sexual tastes and youngsters’ minds?

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Re: What is online pornography doing to sexual tastes and youngsters’ minds?

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Oh man, I would find a shadowban, especially over something so overtly political so amusing! Of course, it's probably just a technical glitch.

What is a shadow ban? Any links?

A shadow ban is where you do not inform a user that he has been banned, but silently hide all posts from said user.

In your profile settings, you can set showdead to "yes" to see comments made by shadowbanned users.

Re: What is online pornography doing to sexual tastes and youngsters’ minds?

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I wonder how many problems in the middle east would be solved by bringing em' easy access to porn...

It might as well be the other way around. Perhaps these men already have easy access, and are now frustrated that they cannot find women who can live up to their expectations (the real women are often covered by a burqa, after all). Also, porn is known to be capable of messing up marriages, so I guess it will certainly not solve any problems related to normal family life (which is what we want these men to pursue), a…

    Also, porn is known to be capable of messing up marriages
citation needed.

Re: What is online pornography doing to sexual tastes and youngsters’ minds?

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From my point of view online porn looks boring because it objectifies women too much. It’s just so mechanical nowadays. Whenever I happen to view porn from the eighties it looked much more natural. But then again I guess back then porn actors where only a few dozen and they knew each other quite well so this allowed some kind of intimacy to grow between them. Now porn has become a commodity, there are thousands of ac…

I find American porn to be crude and artificial. Russian porn is much better; it just shows attractive people having sex with each other and enjoying it. Wonder what that says about our respective cultures.

Re: What is online pornography doing to sexual tastes and youngsters’ minds?

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From my point of view online porn looks boring because it objectifies women too much. It’s just so mechanical nowadays. Whenever I happen to view porn from the eighties it looked much more natural. But then again I guess back then porn actors where only a few dozen and they knew each other quite well so this allowed some kind of intimacy to grow between them. Now porn has become a commodity, there are thousands of ac…

Perhaps you can explain to me what "objectification of women" means? Does it mean being attracted to their bodies? So what would be an OK thing to be attracted to - their ability to recite the digits of PI perhaps? To me it seems that the "anti-objectification" campaign only seeks to replace one attractor with another. So maybe less pretty women would prefer to be measured by their IQ? Why is one better than the othe…

I'll start by acknowledging that "objectification of women" has become a buzzphrase, and it means whatever the speaker/writer wants it to mean, and the following discursion is (mostly) not intended as a prescriptivist scold. As such, the following is (mostly) a tangent from your comment, and entirely a tangent from GP's comment, since clearly GP was not using "objectifies" in this way. But anyway, here goes.

My understanding is that originally, in feminist studies of pornography, "objectification" meant to be made into an object, in the syntactic sense, as contrasted with the syntactic subject. In this sense, to objectify something is to have it be the recipient of verbs. In the context of feminist critique, the verb in particular is "desire", and the complaint is that pornography is (allegedly) interested in women as objects of desire, not as subjects. That is, the wishes and desires of the women are, allegedly, less valued than the wishes and desires of the men.

I personally suspect that this critique is overwrought and largely missing the point, although not without any truth at all. Perhaps irrelevant to the feminist point, speaking as a male, I'm pretty fond of being an object, although I wouldn't like to be only an object.

Re: What is online pornography doing to sexual tastes and youngsters’ minds?

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The first myth addressed by makelovenotporn.com (mentioned in the article) regards "facials". I wonder how much men's desire to do this comes from watching porn. Any grecian urns with men "dropping loads"?

Does anybody actually want to do this or have it done to them? There are a lot of weird tropes in porn, but this has to be one of the weirdest wide-spread ones. Really, you might as well just squirt super-glue at somebody.

Seems like it would make a hell of a mess, and it also makes me think of this joke from Good Will Hunting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6il6tocb4ic

Re: What is online pornography doing to sexual tastes and youngsters’ minds?

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It is very easy to find sexual release with internet porn. More difficult with a real life woman. And therein lies the collapse of western civilization.

I wonder how many problems in the middle east would be solved by bringing em' easy access to porn...

It's already there. It was found even in Bin Laden's non-internet-connected compound, remember?

Re: What is online pornography doing to sexual tastes and youngsters’ minds?

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Sex is an important part of human relations, to forgo it is to leave out an important part of your personal development in my opinion.

Careful. Sex is an agreement, not a choice. There are lots of people in this world who would like to have sex but for whatever reasons cannot or do not. Abstinence is also a focus of countless religious traditions. I would hesitate to tell any of those people they lacked in personal development.

Agreement are choices. When people have sex, they choose to agree to do so, hence the importance of consent.

I disagree that it is invalid to suggest that those who abstain from having sex due to reasons such as religious traditions lack certain aspects of personal development. For example, there are studies that show a clear correlation between abstinence education and _higher_ rates of teen pregnancy [1] and STI transmission rates [2].

[1] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3194801/

[2] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20378905

Re: What is online pornography doing to sexual tastes and youngsters’ minds?

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Personally, I think it is crucial in personal development because, as you put it, it is an agreement, not a choice. There are some lessons to be learned from getting somebody to agree with you on something.

Certainly. However, there are many things where people are expected to reach agreement. It's not clear that this has to be the matter on which they learn it. Indeed, considering the harm that can result, it's probably better if they learn to reach agreement on some other matter first.

Can you elaborate? There is potential risk of harm resulting for many other areas of personal developments as well.

Re: What is online pornography doing to sexual tastes and youngsters’ minds?

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It might be worthwhile to examine this phenomenon in a larger context. For example, I know a girl who is obsessed with watching sticky sweet romantic shows and movies like "twilight" and "the bachelor". The romance portrayed in these shows is extremely unrealistic and I feel it gives her unrealistic expectations of romantic relationships. Certainly there are no shortage of young men smoking too much marijuana and wat…

Definitely agree.

What makes it difficult for many people to look at this phenomenon in a larger context is that it is much easier to be alarmist at anything sexual. Unfortunately, many parts of societies still view sex as something shameful and thus tend to attempt to avoid anything to do with it rather than having meaningful discussion about it.

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The first myth addressed by makelovenotporn.com (mentioned in the article) regards "facials". I wonder how much men's desire to do this comes from watching porn. Any grecian urns with men "dropping loads"?

Does anybody actually want to do this or have it done to them? There are a lot of weird tropes in porn, but this has to be one of the weirdest wide-spread ones. Really, you might as well just squirt super-glue at somebody. Seems like it would make a hell of a mess, and it also makes me think of this joke from Good Will Hunting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6il6tocb4ic

I dunno, I'm gay, and I goddamn love it when someone does that to me.
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