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Re: Haskell for Mac

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It doesn't take many "only $25"s before you've spend $100.

$100 is also quite cheap for a well developed piece of software that you enjoy using.

Depending on how many other dollars you have to spend on things that you might enjoy eating.

Re: Haskell for Mac

#82

I bought it. If someone (cough)Jetbrains were to offer a full blown IDE with code-navigation, refactoring tools, smart autocomplete etc etc. I would pay them 10 times as much.

Is a full blown IDE (ala IntelliJ) really necessary for Haskell?

All that static typing shoud lead to an awesome IDE experience. Given that this hasn't happened, I wonder if there isn't something wrong with Haskell's design that works against it?

Re: Haskell for Mac

#83
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I would like to see some demo version, as 20€ is a bit too much to drop. Looks cool, lots of inspiration from swift playgrounds. Though, aren't there any open source alternatives (I have never tried haskell), probably similar to ipython (jupyter) stack?

I know this is a statement of where the market is going, but boy is it depressing to see people saying that 20 Euros is too much to drop on a piece of software.

Re: Haskell for Mac

#84

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Is a full blown IDE (ala IntelliJ) really necessary for Haskell?

All that static typing shoud lead to an awesome IDE experience. Given that this hasn't happened, I wonder if there isn't something wrong with Haskell's design that works against it?

Atom with the ide-haskell package does a pretty good job.

Re: Haskell for Mac

#85
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And every single version, including minor version upgrades, this setting goes back to "MAS and identified developers," despite me explicitly setting to "Anywhere." If that isn't obnoxiously bad UI design (that I'm sure some idiot will defend), I don't know what is. I love the hardware, but the software is slowly turning to shit because of bugs (especially core bugs like not supporting many Bluetooth or RF mice/trackb…

Your installation would appear to be anomalous, as such reversion of that (or indeed, any) preference isn't the norm.

It wasn't the norm in the past, but that has changed. For those whose memory goes back to the pre-X MacOS, there has been a decline in “respecting your user's decisions” and an increase in inconsistencies. Progress in some areas has definitely cost quality in others.

Re: Haskell for Mac

#86

I bought it. If someone (cough)Jetbrains were to offer a full blown IDE with code-navigation, refactoring tools, smart autocomplete etc etc. I would pay them 10 times as much.

Donate to Free/Libre/Open projects working on this instead of locked-down proprietary ones. There are two promising projects approaching (not all there yet) exactly what you want: https://atom.io/packages/ide-haskell for Atom and http://leksah.org/

Re: Haskell for Mac

#87
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As required by the Mac App Store, Haskell for Mac is sandboxed. Consequently, Haskell code executed in a Haskell for Mac playground cannot access any data except for Haskell for Mac documents, the app container, and those system files white-listed by the operating system. Any attempt to access other files or to initiate a network connection will be rejected by the operating system. This seems unnecessarily crippling.…

I love sandboxing.

It is also the way to go on Android, iOS, Windows 10 onwards. And was on Symbian as well.

If an application get p0wned, it won't be able to access more than what is strictly necessary to perform its duty, instead of free reign over my $HOME.

Re: Haskell for Mac

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There was no need for the developers to release this on the App Store. Anyone installing a Haskell IDE is perfectly capable of installing an app normally.

They are charging money for it, so that is reason enough to use the Mac app store. If it was free, then I totally agree.

They can charge for it on their own web site. No requirement to go through MAS to sell Mac software. If people are having a problem with this, complain to the author of the software.

Re: Haskell for Mac

#89
I would buy it if it were not sold through the Mac App Store and not sandboxed... There are applications that make sense to sell in the Mac App Store, a programing environment isn't one of them.

Re: Haskell for Mac

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As required by the Mac App Store, Haskell for Mac is sandboxed. Consequently, Haskell code executed in a Haskell for Mac playground cannot access any data except for Haskell for Mac documents, the app container, and those system files white-listed by the operating system. Any attempt to access other files or to initiate a network connection will be rejected by the operating system. This seems unnecessarily crippling.…

Exhibit A for how questionable this Sandboxing is when it comes to things like programming languages. And exhibit A for how Mac is becoming a household appliance instead of a general-purpose computer that YOU own and do with what YOU want. If you want to own your Mac you need to stay away from the AppStore at the very least, and ideally build all your shit yourself.

I'd bet that fewer than 5% of Apple customers want a general-purpose computer, and it hasn't deviated much from that over time. Apple has always locked down their hardware and software relative to their competitors. The "it just works" philosophy isn't free, and if it seems like it's getting more locked down, it might have something to do with Apple trying to maintain its profits in the face of increasing competition.

The "household-appliance" moniker is a red herring though. Just because they supply an App Store doesn't mean you have to use it, and it doesn't mean you can't do amazing things with it. Are we really comparing something that can help educate, research, run a business, entertain, etc. with a dishwasher or TV?

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