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Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Ubuntu does the same by default if you do not disable it via Privacy. Not suprised that MS does this, however the sad part is for a simple search, there are literally thosaunds of bytes exchanged

Didn't they disable this?

No, they give you the option to disable it.

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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I installed Windows 10 yesterday and used it for a couple of hours before coming to the conclusion that I made an error in downgrading from Windows 7. Windows 10 feels more like their phone OS disguised as a desktop OS. Perhaps the most jarring part was how ugly legacy (Windows 7) apps looked in Windows 10. They didn't even bother trying to make these apps look nice. Also, their services are plastered all over the pl…

I wonder - does that get you in the door to do the free upgrade more than a year from now? I wouldn't mind upgrading once 10 has had a little time to age properly.

You have only a year to decide if you want the free upgrade. What I did, however, was record the product key for Windows 10 should I ever decide to go back. In any case, I'm glad to be back on Windows 7. Windows 10 was a horrific experience that signals that you are now the product instead of the consumer.

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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This also happens on iOS with spotlight. As far as I can tell there's no way to turn it off. Source: MITM your iOS traffic. Sidenote -- a possibly unforeseen side effect of end to end encryption everywhere is that it makes it far more difficult to man in the middle your traffic and hold companies accountable for their privacy policies.

I think this is worse though. It fires even when you've disabled web search through most GUI interfaces. It might stop using Windows Firewall > block SearchUI.exe It will even ignore a-0001.a-msedge.net in your hosts file.

I just changed both Search rules to block and it appears to have worked.

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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I opened a bug (well, feedback item) during the preview about this. Even with the various group policy settings set, there was no way to disable web search. Rather unacceptable. One would think this has regulatory and compliance issues as well, no?

This is a big problem for us in the finance sector. We're SOL when it comes to Windows 10. It's a complete dead end if we can't lock stuff down with GPO.

There are meetings taking place to work out what to do about this in various companies and the general answer so far is jump the sinking platform ship and "thank fuck we wrote everything in Java". Some of the big guys are already rolling out RHEL desktops.

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Here's a list of servers Windows 10 contacts on startup. There are probably more, but these are the ones that showed up. BN1WNS2011508.wns.windows.com OneSettings-bn2.metron.live.com.nsatc.net a978.i6g1.akamai.net americas2.notify.windows.com.akadns.net any.edge.bing.com bingads.microsoft.com bl3302.storage.live.com bl3302geo.storage.dkyprod.akadns.net client.wns.windows.com corp.sts.microsoft.com diagnostics.support…

It's really disturbing how many would be indistinguishable (to almost everyone) from malware servers. Lots of .net domains and entities I've never heard of.

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Just changed two rules in Windows Firewall to blocked and it appears to no longer send anything. https://i.imgur.com/a5yu5vb.png

Wondering if I should go through all the Windows stuff there and turn them off. Edit: just did (except for Edge and obvious internet related stuff).

Is there a way to change Firewall rules with a registry tweak? That would be the ideal way to distribute this.

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except apps like this should probably not be using the OS CA store, and instead just pin their own CA cert. Doesn't seem to be the case here but in general I think pinning is getting more adoption, isn't it?

What do you mean "apps like this" ? The OP is talking about the Windows 10 OS, which uses the OS CA store.

The app in question is the search UI/Cortana. It has no need to use the OS store and could easily pin to MS's CA.

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

#88

I wish this was happening on my machine so I could investigate, but it's not. Searches in Start ask if I want to search the web then open a browser. I have the default search settings.

This is not happening to me either. I have disabled many things in the Settings => Privacy menu, I guess it might be related to Cortana (Settings => Privacy menu => Speech, inking, &typing), but I am not enabling it to find out.

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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I'm starting to think I need to worry about things getting out of my firewall more than things getting in.

On my Mac I use Little Snitch to monitor outbound connections and I love it. I haven't found an equivalent simple and lightweight application for Windows yet.

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Just changed two rules in Windows Firewall to blocked and it appears to no longer send anything. https://i.imgur.com/a5yu5vb.png Wondering if I should go through all the Windows stuff there and turn them off. Edit: just did (except for Edge and obvious internet related stuff). Is there a way to change Firewall rules with a registry tweak? That would be the ideal way to distribute this.

I only have one entry for search, why do you have two?
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