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They're being sued for several issues that resulted in the deaths of users; that's not fraud, but it is against their users. The parallel still holds, and the information is still on the page I linked.
From OpenAI's point of view, the risks are not comparable at all: 1) Extreme edge case affecting a handful of users, vs millions of users using the data sharing opt out. 2) The deaths are unintentional. 3) They probably won't lose any users over this. 4) They will likely win the lawsuits. Even if they lose or settle, the financial impact will be immaterial.
As before, despite your prevarication, I've provided examples of
- Massive lawsuits
- Risks to consumer trust
That's what was asked for; your assertion that it will totally all be fine doesn't invalidate that.
I know you are excited to quibble endlessly over this, but it's transparently disingenuous each time you jump to a new point and pretend it was there originally.
Consider: if your point was defensible, you would have been able to make it honestly.
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Well all we have are vague accusations without evidence and a very specific denial also without evidence, so I guess just believe whatever you want.
The threats weren't denied, and they did offer an authorship to Buckmaster, which would be very strange if he had nothing to do with it.
I think it's a useful analogy to compare OpenAI to a human collaborator. These researchers willingly collaborated with an OpenAI model, giving it ideas, and OpenAI provided useful replies. Then, OpenAI goes ahead and publishes work along the lines of this collaboration, without attributing the researchers. If OpenAI was in fact a human researcher, this would be highly unethical. Now, OpenAI is claiming that the model…
A human collaborator who stands to win or loose a couple of $100B.
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I put it like that because of Brubeck's own words on the matter. You're acting like we've gotten email receipts here. I'm not really interested in going over a he-said she-said about strangers.
Brubeck has admitted what he said, but claims he immediately retracted it as a "poor choice of words". Given Buckmaster's telling, this seems beyond "poor choice of words"... It was a veiled threat, that he then doubled down on with his "If you don’t want me to be nice, then I don’t have to be nice." follow-up. ** I said that if OpenAI released its result in the way proposed I would go public with what happened. The…
I see none, and consequently Brubeck's explanation makes more sense to me. I understand he meant these words, which he supposedly retracted on the spot, in a "why would you ruin your career with this behavior / turning down the opportunity I am offering" way.
You don't think that is the likely explanation?
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> It's not obvious to me that's an unethical thing to do In terms of work in mathematics, something I personally would not do based on ethical grounds would be to hear a rumor that some researchers are taking a certain approach and may be nearing a solution, use a model that was possibly contaminated with intimate knowledge about that approach (though later they investigated and think it wasn't), and then commit mill…
But by OpenAI's telling they heard a rumor that the problem had already been solved. So they reached out to the other researchers as an attempt to share the credit, and in fact have at least one of them be the lead author (which is when they found out the AI had solved a broader problem than the researchers.) Seems pretty ethically palatable. I suspect the main reason the community is not receiving it well is largely…
That's it, that's why it isn't being received well.
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My point was that if someone is at fault, it's the individual OpenAI employees. Because they chose to engage in a professional field, they can't use "boss told me to do so" as a defense.
Just think, isn't the whole point of a company, of incorporating, is that the liability shifts from the employee to the firm?
It is 100% fair to hold the company responsible, and doubly so when the questionable thing the employee is doing is something that A) benefits the company, and B) is on company time (aand with company resources.) I know you weren't making a legal-minutia point but even the high level principles involved are and should be the opposite of what you suggest.
Companies may want to have their cake and eat it too (have employees do their dirty work but then push the blame on the employee) but that's not how it works and it's generally not a society you'd want to live in the more we head in that direction.