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Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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People yes. Corporations no.

What is a corporation but people? Companies are groups of people. They're one or more owners, some managers, possibly some staff. If you take away all the people, then there's nothing there.

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Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Can someone help me out - who pays for things on HF? Are they charging the model providers?

It's not too dissimilar from GitHub, but geared towards ML. They have a 9/mo pro plan for individual users for upgraded storage/usage, and an enterprise version of Hub that larger orgs can pay for. I think the enterprise has some contract minimum + 50/mo per seat. https://huggingface.co/pro They also have inference endpoints with metered prices, and their spaces product (though i'd imagine this is a smaller portion o…

I’d be curious to see how much that’s subsidized. Maybe they’re different, but when I see ML and monthly plan in the same sentence, I see zero sustainability.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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People yes. Corporations no.

What is a corporation but people? Companies are groups of people. They're one or more owners, some managers, possibly some staff. If you take away all the people, then there's nothing there.

Legally, the corporation itself is similar to a person and has rights unto itself, as stupid as that sounds. Those rights are different from those the individuals who run the company have.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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HuggingFace offers abliterated/uncensored models, which would seem to run contrary to the "AI is too powerful for regular people" narrative that the big players are pushing. My primary concern is that Nvidia will bow to the pressure and restrict abliterated/uncensored models on HF.

Yes, this is a real possibility imho. Having Nvidia behind HF will now probably have a bunch of litigious entities salivating to sue them for not only allowing, but also distributing uncensored AI models that will then be used for deepfakes, porn, spam, scam, hacking, etc. Sure that could have also been done to HF before, but I'm thinking Nvidia is a much juicier target. Should also now be much easier for the governm…

>Should also now be much easier for the government to just eventually force NVidia to restrict access to Chinese open models seeing as it will now become an American company that needs to obey to American law and we all know how American AI companies are lobbying for exactly that.

Using regulation to avoid having to be competitive is the American Way!

In all seriousness though, probably time to start an underground equivalent to HF.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Citizens United is a very sound ruling. People have a right to support candidates > they can print a sign and stand on a street corner > printing signs costs money > people have a right to spend money supporting candidates. People have a right to assemble > they can stand on a street corner with their friends > they can hold a big sign together > they can have lots of friends and form a group and print a really big s…

You said "People" a lot in your post. Corporations are not "people". Only natural persons should be able to contribute to political candidates. Corporations can lobby , as a corporate person, just like a union or other organization, but not contribute. They can run ads themselves, but there needs to be a much greater wall between PACs and candidate campaigns, with the previous restrictions now null and void due to la…

I don't understand what you're getting at.

If it's okay for Corporations can run ads themselves, then your objection isn't to wealthy people supporting candidates or even them doing so secretly, but... only when the little guy pools donations and they happen to be pool donations via a corporation?

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Citizens United is a very sound ruling. People have a right to support candidates > they can print a sign and stand on a street corner > printing signs costs money > people have a right to spend money supporting candidates. People have a right to assemble > they can stand on a street corner with their friends > they can hold a big sign together > they can have lots of friends and form a group and print a really big s…

You said "People" a lot in your post. Corporations are not "people". Only natural persons should be able to contribute to political candidates. Corporations can lobby , as a corporate person, just like a union or other organization, but not contribute. They can run ads themselves, but there needs to be a much greater wall between PACs and candidate campaigns, with the previous restrictions now null and void due to la…

Corporations are just groups of people. That's the logic.

The problem isn't "corporations can do the same thing as people."

The problem is anybody (solo or as a group) can legally run an unrestricted indirect campaign.

Elon can do the same, or more, as an individual than just about any corporation. That's just as problematic as Ford or Meta buying an election.

Dark money contributions are a closely related problem that we ought to fix at the same time.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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> Citizens United is a very sound ruling. Corporations only have the powers granted to them by the state. Contributing to politics need not be one of them.

Yes and no. No, state's cannot e.g. discriminate on the basis of race by allowing corporations only composed of certain races. States also cannot infringe on the right to assemble or speak, by prohibiting people from supporting political candidates when they are organized as such a group. But, generally, yes. States can require that the owners / members / corporate books / etc. of a company be disclosed publicly. If…

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Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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So where’s the return? Outside of annualized numbers I haven’t even heard people pretend that OAI or Anthropic are profitable. If this is all about ROI there’s sure been a lot of I for as yet unrealized R.

IMO the top end goal is to allow capital to access skill without allowing skill to access capital. IF they can make these products work as advertised (big if, very very big if) the corpos can fire shitloads of low-end workers and give their middle managers access to these AI models and nothing else really has to change. Workers lose their ability to earn a living, but OpenAI and Anthropic become the gatekeepers to ef…

Who (what) would all these middle managers manage? Agents? Why? If agents were so capable, they'd sure be capable of managing themselves or each other...

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Citizens United is a very sound ruling. People have a right to support candidates > they can print a sign and stand on a street corner > printing signs costs money > people have a right to spend money supporting candidates. People have a right to assemble > they can stand on a street corner with their friends > they can hold a big sign together > they can have lots of friends and form a group and print a really big s…

This is a completely inhuman and unamerican take. Money buys secrecy, it always has. Money is a tool, exercising speech is a right. For the Supreme Court to equate them is ahistorical, plutocratic, and terrible. You sound like you support giving corporations the right to vote as well,

Where do you draw the line between money and speech? IE, would you "simply" ban all political advertising completely - one can scream from a soapbox and that's it?

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Citizens United is a very sound ruling. People have a right to support candidates > they can print a sign and stand on a street corner > printing signs costs money > people have a right to spend money supporting candidates. People have a right to assemble > they can stand on a street corner with their friends > they can hold a big sign together > they can have lots of friends and form a group and print a really big s…

> Citizens United is a very sound ruling. > People have a right to support candidates > they can print a sign and stand on a street corner > printing signs costs money > people have a right to spend money supporting candidates. Individuals printing signage is not where most of the funding is going though, is it? > People have a right to assemble > they can stand on a street corner with their friends > they can hold a…

I think your objection is fairly clear in terms of 1) you point out the difference between e.g. standing with a sign vs. more expensive options, and 2) you say "right to free assembly was to give richer corporations more sway."

Fundamentally it sounds like your complaint is that wealthy people are presumably more able to be effective with their efforts than folks who, e.g. can't afford as big of a bullhorn.

Citizens United wasn't about that. There wasn't a law saying no person shall spend more than $1k/yr supporting a candidate.

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