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Post by Pay08 »

traderj0e wrote: post #773
Pay08 wrote: post #685

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the exact same logic as the people who complain about NASA "wasting" money. But beyond the fact that the aid is basically a subvention for American defence companies (Israel spends way more than 3 billion on American weapons), it also protects American weapons manufacturers from Israeli competition through other terms in the agreement, which is actually a serious threat to them.

Yep it's the same logic. Everyone knows NASA is expensive, but people disagree over whether it's worth. That full amount of weapons aid is a cost to taxpayers no matter how it's spun. Republicans cut aid to Ukraine because it was too expensive and other countries weren't giving enough, and the hypocrisy wasn't lost on people when our govt turned around and boosted the aid to Israel instead. If weapons aid were free l…

$10B+? Israel gets $3B a year, and spends approximately $30B on American weapons. I guess if you don't like gas in your care, the middle east is unimportant, yes.

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Post by mangodrunk »

elAhmo wrote: post #719
xdennis wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was omitted because it is irrelevant. It doesn't matter which ally the US sells weapons to. If the Gazans attacked Luxembourg, Luxembourgers have the right to defend themselves (and win) too.

I’m sure you’re also applying the same logic to Iran and saying they have a right to defend themselves?

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Post by mangodrunk »

dwaltrip wrote: post #264
chriscrisby wrote: post #240

He disrupted a career fair because it had defense contractors. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/oct/05/palest...

Not simply because it had defense contractors… You made an editorial choice to leave out the part about selling weapons to Israel to use against Gaza. Once can agree or disagree with the action to disrupt the career. Either way, I find your omission a bit glaring.

Is your omission of the attacks on October 7 carried out by Hamas equally glaring? How do you know what exactly Israel will do with the weapons? They presumably need this for defense as any country needs weapons for defending themselves.

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Post by try_the_bass »

Gud wrote: post #758
unselect5917 wrote: post #739

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We're not talking about an American criticizing his country though. We're talking about a foreigner.

Genuinely, why would an outsiders perspective be less worthwhile to listen to?

For the same reason words like "mansplaining" exist, presumably?

I think outside perspectives can be useful, but sometimes they are just ignorant. Really depends on a) the perspective, and b) the intent

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Post by nobody9999 »

crazygringo wrote: post #778
nobody9999 wrote: post #777

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Yeah, sure. Whatever you say. https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2025/05/07/googles-g... https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2025/11/gmail-is-read... https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/gmails-ai-secretly-re... https://www.howtogeek.com/gmail-might-be-harvesting-your-ema... https://cyberguy.com/privacy/stop-google-ai-scanning-gmail/

Please don't be rude. And what you're linking to is NOT what you described, "in order to provide more targeted advertisements". Your links are describing Gemini integration. If you ask Gemini a question about your e-mails, obviously it needs to look at them. If Google is suggesting a smart reply, obviously it needs to process your e-mail to do so. But these are features designed to benefit the user. You were talking…

>Please don't be rude.

[0]: "Google publicly announced in 2017 it would stop using Gmail content for ad targeting but continued to scan emails for spam, malware, and other non-ad functionality, which leaves room for ambiguity about downstream uses of metadata or other signals"

Who cares why Google is reading your emails? Not me.

Oh, it's just for non-ad functionality? In that case, go right ahead!

Ugh!

[0] https://factually.co/fact-checks/technology/email-scanning-f...

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by crazygringo »

nobody9999 wrote: post #796
crazygringo wrote: post #778

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't be rude. And what you're linking to is NOT what you described, "in order to provide more targeted advertisements". Your links are describing Gemini integration. If you ask Gemini a question about your e-mails, obviously it needs to look at them. If Google is suggesting a smart reply, obviously it needs to process your e-mail to do so. But these are features designed to benefit the user. You were talking…

>Please don't be rude. [0]: "Google publicly announced in 2017 it would stop using Gmail content for ad targeting but continued to scan emails for spam, malware, and other non-ad functionality , which leaves room for ambiguity about downstream uses of metadata or other signals" Who cares why Google is reading your emails? Not me. Oh, it's just for non-ad functionality ? In that case, go right ahead! Ugh! [0] https://…

You're upset Gmail blocks spam and malware?

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Post by goosejuice »

tdb7893 wrote: post #783
goosejuice wrote: post #365

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Yes, sorry, by foreigner I mean non-citizen. Others do have constitutional rights, but the legislative and executive hold plenary powers in the realm of national security and immigration.

As far as the Constitution goes, non-citizens have the same rights as citizens (at least for all the rights given to "persons") and there's no carveout actually in the Constitution for national security or immigration. Practically you have a point given case law but even in cases of immigration and national security these Constitutional rights still apply (regardless of what any branch of either Congress or the presi…

I never said there was a carve out? Citizens and legal permanent residents enjoy more rights beyond the constitution than non citizens.

I'm not a lawyer, but see the privacy act, FISA and EO 12333.

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Post by ButlerianJihad »

tdb7893 wrote: post #783
goosejuice wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, sorry, by foreigner I mean non-citizen. Others do have constitutional rights, but the legislative and executive hold plenary powers in the realm of national security and immigration.

As far as the Constitution goes, non-citizens have the same rights as citizens (at least for all the rights given to "persons") and there's no carveout actually in the Constitution for national security or immigration. Practically you have a point given case law but even in cases of immigration and national security these Constitutional rights still apply (regardless of what any branch of either Congress or the presi…

It may come as a shocking surprise here, but human rights are not actually conferred by the Constitution or any other piece of paper.

Human rights are “endowed by our Creator” and so the actual function of the Constitution is to protect those rights, and any logical person could reason that our Creator would probably not endow only certain persons or citizens with those rights.

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