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Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by MaxikCZ »

fabbbbb wrote: post #783
MaxikCZ wrote: post #781

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are you running opus? Iam able to burn trough 40% of my weekly 20x max plan in one day :(

How?! That must be like 10 parallel Opus 4.6 with all cranking lots of in and out respectively very long sessions?

Actually its just one opus aimed at a codebase with one goal, and instruction to spawn 2 subagents: one worker, that comes up with implementation plan, one validator that validates the proposed plan against my guardrails, and then return back to subagent1 to implement this, where the second subagent again tests the implementation.

One loop of this can take 20-60 min, and eat 2-5% of my week limit. I have to actively slow myself down to not burn trough more than 15-20% of my weekly limit in a day (as I also like to work on it on weekends)

Sadly I cant share the actual problem I am working on as its not my secret to disclose, but its nothing "crazy", and I am so surprised others dont have similar experience.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by MaxikCZ »

LogicFailsMe wrote: post #784
MaxikCZ wrote: post #781

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are you running opus? Iam able to burn trough 40% of my weekly 20x max plan in one day :(

What... Are... You... Actually doing??? I am running opus to make changes to my code then running the code. I am genuinely curious how we are having such disparate experiences here. And at this point, IMO you're in too deep not to share... Genuinely wondering if you're running gastown or some other crazy mixture of agents pretending they're an AI startup. I get by with a developer agent and a reviewer agent ping pong…

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Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by Nevermark »

tempest_ wrote: post #755
Nevermark wrote: post #571

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> I hate companies that try to oversell capacity but hides it in the expected usage distribution. Except they charge you less because of the distribution. Competition for customers doesn't evaporate.

Why would you assume that to be? They might charge you less, but they don't have to and wont if the market allows it

Companies compete by optimizing margins. Lower margins, more sales, and more customers for more forward looking sale. Higher margins, more profit per sale.

That's a "fixed" constraint, because maximizing future adjusted value is what companies do.

So they don't play little games with mass products. If they did they would be harming their own bottom line/market cap.

(For small products, careful optimization often doesn't happen, because they are not a priority.)

Note this thesis explains what is going on here. What was previously one kind of customer (wide distribution of use), is now identifiably two. The non-automated token maxers (original distribution) and automated token maxers (all maxed, and growing in number). To maintain margins Anthropic has to move the latter to a new bin.

But the customer centric view also holds. By optimizing margins, that counter intuitively incentivizes reduced pricing on lower utilized products. (Because margin optimization is a balance to optimize total value, i.e. margins are not the variable being maximized.)

The alternatives would be bad for someone. Either they under optimize their margins, or change regular customers more which is unfair. Neither of those would be a rational choice.

(Fine tuning: Well run companies don't play those games. But companies with sketchy leaders do all kinds of strange things. Primarily because they are attempting manage contradictory stories in order to optimize their personal income/wealth over the companies. But I don't see Anthropic in that category.)

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by croes »

jesse_dot_id wrote: post #73

There seem to be a ton of people who don't understand how subscription services work. Every single one of them oversells their capacity. The power users that use the services a lot are subsidized by those who don't use it as much, which tends to be the vast majority of the user base. OpenClaw is an autonomous power user. The growing adoption of this walking attack surface was either going to A) cause the cost of Clau…

And why aren’t OpenCode and others allowed anymore?

You don’t use more tokens than with Claude Code

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by xtracto »

mannicken wrote: post #300
xtracto wrote: post #250

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I've mention before that we should have a look at Telegraph/telegram speak. There was a HUGE industry in word efficiency at that time. There are hundreds of books. I even think an LLM trained to communicate using telegram style might even be faster and way cheaper.

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Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by abustamam »

ohhman11 wrote: post #627
abustamam wrote: post #534

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I'd argue they hide their takeaway because of what GP comment said — not because of anything innate, but because a staff member will not let them. I grew up in an Asian household of six. We definitely took food home at AYCE places. My parents definitely knew it wasn't OK, but they felt like they were gaming the system (like a dubious life hack of sorts) and saving money, so they were actually quite proud of it, bragg…

I assume it's not unusual for thieves to brag about their scores.

People brag about all sorts of things moral and immoral.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by LogicFailsMe »

MaxikCZ wrote: post #791
fabbbbb wrote: post #783

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How?! That must be like 10 parallel Opus 4.6 with all cranking lots of in and out respectively very long sessions?

Actually its just one opus aimed at a codebase with one goal, and instruction to spawn 2 subagents: one worker, that comes up with implementation plan, one validator that validates the proposed plan against my guardrails, and then return back to subagent1 to implement this, where the second subagent again tests the implementation. One loop of this can take 20-60 min, and eat 2-5% of my week limit. I have to actively…

Very similar to what I am doing. How big is the codebase? My biggest was about 250K LOC and the usual is about 10K LOC. I am really curious about figuring this out because I'm genuinely puzzled.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by Razengan »

scotty79 wrote: post #584
Razengan wrote: post #409

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I've been using Codex extensively, 5.4 at "Extra High" and yet to hit a limit. The $20 plan

It very much depends on the workloads. If you inspect existing code (that somebody else wrote over the years) usage runs out quickly. If you are building your own greenfield stuff the sky is the limit.

> If you inspect existing code (that somebody else wrote over the years) usage runs out quickly.

That's EXACTLY and ALL I've been doing!

Using Codex and Claude both side by side to view my Godot components framework open source project (link in profile)

Claude has been..ugh.. bad, to put it mildly, on the same content and the same prompts.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by teiferer »

nivertech wrote: post #771
mikkupikku wrote: post #739

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In the Eastern Bloc states, it used to be so common for workers to steal from the workplace that new moral norms were established around this; if you're not stealing from work, you're stealing from your own family! Goes to show just how fragile a high-trust society is. Theft and corruption can easily be normalized to such an extent that not participanting gets reframed as immoral.

The slogan of the Russian Revolution of 1917 was: "Factories to the workers, land to the peasants." If the factory is yours, then everything inside is yours ;) But it's funny how low wages under the broken Soviet economic system turned such things into a semi-official, informal work perks, allowing people to make ends meet.

It was less the low wages and more the general unavailability of things (shortages). Lots of things you couldn't just buy but you had to know somebody who knew somebody.

I wouldn't call it "funny" though. It ws quite sad and I'm glad it's over.

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