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F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by unethical_ban »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #546
rootusrootus wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was a pretty solid setup when everyone wanted it to succeed. We will get a few more safeties put in place via statute after this experience, of course, but what really needs to happen is meaningful improvements to the Constitution. We know enough now to spot plenty of weak points which could be addressed. When I'm feeling particularly spicy I think a Constitutional Convention would be seriously awesome. But then I…

The bulk of our politicians are fully corrupt, and you believe there could be a positive outcome for rewriting the constitution?

There is no easy way out of this mess. There has to be some faith in the overall good will of the people, but if Russia and other societies are any indicator in a modern world, it will take the US getting a lot shittier, with more people dying in protests, more people losing their careers and their homes, and the middle class in breadlines.

We need a different voting system, we need the structure of Congress gutted, and we need a far less powerful presidency.

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Post by verdverm »

karp773 wrote: post #57
karp773 wrote: post #46

Why didn't Iran use its capability to take down enemy jets for an entire month?

Downvoters, care to explain? Seriously, it's been sitting on this for entire month and now, all of a sudden, rolled out antiaircraft defense? What's going on?

Iran aims to make this a drawn out and expensive adventure for the US in hopes that it will deter a next time. They are playing the long game and they know Trump is not.

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Post by underdeserver »

tasn wrote: post #701
DASD wrote: post #440

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MQ-9s are ~$30 million USD and are strike capable.

Sure. But looking at all of the downed Israeli crafts, they are all $2-5m drones (all 18 of them). For perspective: Patriot missiles cost $4m each.

It's not just about cost - a $2m drone and a $200m drone can both be sacrificed if cost/benefit analysis merits it.

You don't sacrifice pilots, ever.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by Revanche1367 »

zaelochi wrote: post #333

Average comments sentiment when an American is caught having killed a clerk during a robbery: hope they fry him on the chair Average comments sentiment when an American is caught while bombing bridges and elementary schools: poor thing hope they treat him well

The key difference (which I am sure you are aware of) is that the victims in your second scenario are foreign brown people. The comments would be very much like your first scenario if this was about Russians attacking even military targets in Ukraine for example.

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Post by CobrastanJorji »

sawjet wrote: post #733
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #186

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The ship was an unarmed vessel on its way to a goodwill visit to Sri Lanka and coming from an international maritime exercise hosted by India, which the United States also attended and participated in. The US torpedoed it, and when it sank, the US did not apparently attempt to rescue any of the Dena's crew. Fortunately, Sri Lanka showed up and saved 30 people. Mind you, the details of war are not always clear. The US…

If you think a warship is ever 'unarmed' I have a bridge to sell you.

Sadly no, they also blew up the bridge. 8 dead, 100 injured. Blowing up civilian infrastructure is also a war crime.

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Post by metabagel »

jiggawatts wrote: post #603
mhb wrote: post #592

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I don’t know why you’re being voted down for stating plain facts. If you know someone in town that regularly threatens you and your friends with death[1] and you see them buying a gun, you do something about it before they also get the bullets. Before replying please read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_latency Iran has been steadily decreasing their “breakout time” to levels that Israel and the US consid…

The JCPOA kept Iran from developing nuclear weapons. It was only the abrogation of this agreement by Trump which led Iran to resume enrichment of uranium.

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Post by anovikov »

The scale of American air dominance is best demonstrated by how much of a news this event is. In 1999 the scandal was that Serbs managed to shoot down a stealthy plane with then-30 year old Soviet SAM. Now being able to shoot down a nonstealthy one having most modern Russian SAMs in existence is news worthy of being on every screen for 24 hours and collecting 1000+ comments on HN.

Warplanes are disposable. They are built to be shot down. If they aren't, they are not being used intensely enough or are just wrong tools for the job - a warplane that flies a mission and always comes back is like a test that never fails.

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Post by johanyc »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #565
MarkMarine wrote: post #26

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The F35 was able to make an emergency landing in a gulf country. This one actually went down in Iran.

> emergency landing https://preview.redd.it/f35-i-shot-down-in-iran-v0-0gdyroc4o... . I think it's ok to say that it crashed into the ground but the pilot survived. With 'emergency landing' people assume it was just a rough landing whereas the plane here is completely and utterly broken.

You should at least share an image of f35...
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