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Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by hnlmorg »

j_w wrote: post #785
hnlmorg wrote: post #675

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What people don’t need is someone dictating to them how they should relax after work. Besides, it’s not like TVs are the only industry where consumer choice is an illusion. You see the same problem in a lot of sports (I used to fence and there was a great deal of pressure to buy equipment from one specific manufacturer which charged literally 4x the price for their gear). And it’s not just hobbies either. I need a ca…

Replying to this comment since clearly the point is misunderstood. The core part of what I wrote was "need." If you believe you "need" as in "can't go without" a TV, in this example, then you probably should consider whether or not you may be addicted to consuming television. Do this as an exercise: Which of these statements indicates that somebody may have a a problem? - I need a cigarette - I need a beer - I need a…

> The last three are clearly real needs

Eg

> I need to relax

And you’re replying to my comment that said:

> What people don’t need is someone dictating to them how they should relax after work.

I do get the point you’re trying to make. But at best it’s an irrelevant semantic that, by your own admission, is still a basic need. And at worst, it’s just elitist “I don’t enjoy x so you shouldn’t either” BS.

Either way, it’s not a constructive argument.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by hnlmorg »

j_w wrote: post #787
Cpoll wrote: post #662

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Sure, but you're just choosing hobbies for people. TVs are just one example here. If your hobby is 3D printing, you might've gotten screwed by Autodesk's subscription changes.

TV can be a hobby, but hobbies typically have actual engagement from the hobbyist. There are a lot of people whom watching television/movies is a real hobby, and for those people you can tell that's the case. In my experience for most people it's strictly a time wasting/filling/background noise activity. If you are spending a considerable amount of time watching television to time waste then you probably should try a…

When I was in my 20s I used to hold this belief as well. And as I’ve gotten older I’ve realised those opinions weren’t because TV viewers were wasting their lives, it was because there was so much I wanted to do with my time that I was scared of wasting my life. I was actually getting angry because I couldn’t pack everything I wanted to do in a day.

Needless to say, I now focus on my own free time rather than thinking about how others should spend theirs.

Also, now I’m in my 40s, I treasure the couple of hours I spend a week watching TV with my kids. We play games, sports and such like too. But sometimes it’s nice to cuddle on the sofa and share an experience in comfort.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by OkayPhysicist »

joe_mamba wrote: post #790
OkayPhysicist wrote: post #765

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You do not need anywhere need a full time employee to spin up a Matrix instance. You need 1 of the IT people you're paying already to do a couple of hours of allocating a server, running it, and setting up permissions.

>You need 1 of the IT people you're paying already to do a couple of hours of allocating a server, running it, and setting up permissions. We did that at my previous job during covid because we also though maintenance would only be a couple of hours of effort. It didn't work out that easy. It became a full time job so it was scrapped. People underestimate the amount of effort required maintaining on-prem infra across…

What on earth could someone being doing to a poor Matrix server that would necessitate a full time job?

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by j_w »

hnlmorg wrote: post #791
j_w wrote: post #785

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Replying to this comment since clearly the point is misunderstood. The core part of what I wrote was "need." If you believe you "need" as in "can't go without" a TV, in this example, then you probably should consider whether or not you may be addicted to consuming television. Do this as an exercise: Which of these statements indicates that somebody may have a a problem? - I need a cigarette - I need a beer - I need a…

> The last three are clearly real needs Eg > I need to relax And you’re replying to my comment that said: > What people don’t need is someone dictating to them how they should relax after work. I do get the point you’re trying to make. But at best it’s an irrelevant semantic that, by your own admission, is still a basic need. And at worst, it’s just elitist “I don’t enjoy x so you shouldn’t either” BS. Either way, it…

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Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by Arathorn »

OkayPhysicist wrote: post #793
joe_mamba wrote: post #790

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>You need 1 of the IT people you're paying already to do a couple of hours of allocating a server, running it, and setting up permissions. We did that at my previous job during covid because we also though maintenance would only be a couple of hours of effort. It didn't work out that easy. It became a full time job so it was scrapped. People underestimate the amount of effort required maintaining on-prem infra across…

What on earth could someone being doing to a poor Matrix server that would necessitate a full time job?

potentially wrapping their own package or distro rather than using something like ESS Community? Or perhaps they left registration open and had abuse problems?

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by Eisenstein »

j_w wrote: post #788
Eisenstein wrote: post #672

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I think you underestimate the meaning of the word 'inconvenience'. Hot water is a convenience. My point is that your list is one list which you are making, but someone else could look at your life and make a different list. Your argument only goes so far you can extend into your own life. If you really cared about something's place in your life, you wouldn't classify it as a convenience, so you are conveniently apply…

Your original reply was: > Please make a list of things you don't need so that in case of any issues with the company or system that allows access to them you will know to just stop using them. If you didn't expect me to be introspective to MYSELF then why even bother asking? Of course my list is personal. While it is personal, it also can apply to others. The reality is that most people are completely unwilling to i…

My point is that it isn't about the individual. You can go without hot water if you like but it isn't going to solve any problems, it will just make you miserable. Going without TV isn't going to make smart TV manufacturers stop spying on people, because they don't know why you aren't buying a TV. They could conclude anything they want from you not buying a TV. The only thing that makes them stop spying on people is a law that says they can't spy on people.

That was my whole point. You are making this about personal choices when it isn't, and using it as a way to judge people who don't make the same choices you do.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by windward »

nicoburns wrote: post #510
rmah wrote: post #500

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"Our economic system fundamentally chooses to reward such behavior". This is true, but what people seem to fail to grasp is that rewarding such behavior == buying the product. If people simply didn't buy it, they wouldn't do it. It's really that simple. It may be hard to not buy, of course. The alternatives may be worse, there may be downsides to not buying, etc. But nothing else will really be effective.

Sure, but there's a power disparity here. I think the clearest example is smart TVs where there have been examples of consumers buying a TV, and then having ads retroactively added to the product a year later. There's not much a consumer could to avoid that. It's our regulatory environment allowing that.

Not to mention Windows 10 being sold as the last version

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by sigmoid10 »

sombragris wrote: post #752
sigmoid10 wrote: post #751

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>but once it's done, it runs forever without a hitch. Yeah... no. If you're dealing with changing systems, you'll need continued support from maintainers. And there's a lot of stuff out there in the business world that is commonly used and breaks all the time. Stuff will break. If not, it is not getting updated. In that case I'd be more worried about security than compatibility.

Yeah... yes. There are systems which are continuously maintained but don't break all the time. Yes, stuff will break but this is way less common in Linux. Claws-mail has all my email for over 15 years. My inbox is several gigabytes in size, which claws handles flawlessly. And the software is continuously maintained. I'm using version 4.4.0 now, which was released 16 days ago on March 9. So... yes.

Turns out email clients are quite simple (mostly because the protocol is ancient) and also something everyone in every company uses. But many OSS clients still die eventually. And once you get into the actual business application world, you're in for a world of pain on Linux. Especially if you go near AD/Azure/Entra. Heck, the fact there is not even a stable name for this mess of a software suite tells you enough. And yet every big company relies on it.
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